posted Thu, 06/14/2018 - 07:06
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+ 4 low IGF after 3,5week - GOD240 - what wrong?!
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24 or 25 days od cycle GOD240
pined ED 4,8ui
vial 24ui - per 5 days it gaves 4,8ui ED
my IGF its so low , why?!
second time - waste od money :(
bloods done 3'30'' before last pin
I have also very low IGF on MGT HGH https://www.eroids.com/pics/low-igf-after-3weeks-gh-mgt
but i have high IGF on my private polish HGH Imperial Life Science https://www.eroids.com/pics/hgh-igf-imperial-life-science-hgh-from-poland
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First Natalijka, WTF are you taking HGH for? You do not need that shit at your age and it won't do shit for you. You are going to end up really fucked up...
As far as the reason why it is not working, the first thing I would look at is how it was cared for either in transit or once you got it. Chances are it got too hot for too long.
i increasd dosage
i vial per 3 days (so 8ui / day)
and i started feeling CTS! afer 2 weeks
so propably HGH is very undedosage
vial is 10ui , NOT 24ui
Far too low for that dose, sorry to hear! Thank you for the testing.
saffireWhat's your baseline level?
Test and NPP should lower IGF1 levels, and if anything then raise them a bit, both are also not liver toxic.
any antibiotics use? it effects the liver and may sabotage the IGF response
I would take full general tests to asses your general heath condition, and I still tend to speculate that base on your IGF1 baseline your general metabolic functioning are fine, and again as a speculation I would expect higher IGF1 response
No antybiotics
No AI, no serms, no nolva,
exa.0.125 ew But it can higher igf1
Just dbol 20mg ed and primabolan 150mg e3d - i dont think That Just dbol and prima in So small dosage could lower So much my igf
So I will do little experience.
Now i will NOTused HGH till the end of cycle. - just ASS from UGFREAK because it works well
then after this cycle when I will be OFF (or with no DHT)
i will do second time blood of IGF1
it could be worthfull experience
we can compere two results of IGF1 - one with primo, and second with no
I think its good idea. What do You think?
Didn’t you bash on the MGT hgh because of your low igf-1?
You should consider all factors and know how compounds effect others before the bashing.
I have blood work that proves DHT derivatives negatively impact igf-1 conversion. You can google it as well, it’s a tough find but there are articles on it
It’s like how a friend of mine says, “every single girl I date is a damn psycho,” maybe he needs to realize it’s something to do with himself haha
its hard to google that DHT have negatively impact igf-1 conversion.
can You give me link to realible research?
but Yes, I bealive what You guys says - that dht could lower my igf1 - and that the reasone its so low
i will do one more time bloods
Wrong....they are all crazy ;)
Hahaha true! Bad example on my part!
I’ve been reading below and my one question is what’s the primary purpose for you using GH? Is it for muscle growth synergy with higher IGF-1 levels and aas, fat loss or both?
The reason I ask is that if it’s primarily been used for fat loss then although you’re getting low IGF-1 conversion this won’t be a big deal. If however you’re looking for muscle gain and synergy with AAS then yes primo can cause conversion issues alongside hepatoxic orals, some AI’s and serms. You could consider running a lower dose of GH (for fat loss) and adding an IGF-1 analog like IGF-1LR3 instead of relying on a conversion you’re not getting. Just some thoughts for you.
bulking, grow muscle first purpose of using HGH
I do not use much primo, and dbol was 20mg ed, NO IA or serms
now i drop HGH
it will be waiting for end of this cycle
just cycle on ass from UGFREAK
then on mys OFF or next cycle (with no dht) i will used HGH second time
then i will do blood secodn time
we could compare two results
anyone can tell me how exacly Primo can effect igf1 level?
do You have any link to research? or enything worth reading?
I’ll look again yea
Any one know what that converts to in american measures?
You taking anything else?
https://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/advanced-cycle-for-women-bulk-and-mini...
I do this cycle
NOW just started 8week
Gotcha, that’s a lot of juice lol, I’m betting there are some guys that could make gains on that.
With regard to the cycle and where you’re at this is what stands out to me:
Primo, I’ve had this kill my igf from hgh. Take 4 units and come back with normal natty igf levels. I also know a guy who was running pharm grade and his igf dropped over 100 points when he added primo, it just doesn’t play well with hgh in the body.
Dbol, gonna stress your liver which is where the igf conversion is taking place, not what you want for high igf.
This is why I take hgh when I’m off cycle and anabolics when I’m on. I get the most out of it doing it that way, and don’t waste my hard earned money on drugs that could be canceling each other out.
Pm sent.
Any experience running proviron will on gh? wondering if its going to impact igf conversion as well.
I don’t know the answer to that. What I do know is that proviron is very similar to drugs that would cause problems. Also it’s oral so it’s going through your liver which is what is responsible for that igf conversion. I keep them seperated.
That’s a good protocol I’d say, hgh when off aas.
I don’t want to jump to any conclusions without bloodwork yet but now that I’m off and running that growth I posted poor bloods with while on, I’m having great results. 2.5 iu twice a day and I look better now than I did when I was on. Pumps are huge, looking full as fuck and staying lean.
Awesome dude glad to hear! Too bad it takes a lot of time and money to figure what works best for you(or anyone) haha
i thought thas just 20mg dbol its not to much
So what other SAA can lower IGF result?
-orals because of liver like: anapolon, oxa, winstrol, turinabol?
-injections like: Promo? what else?
what about NPP, master, tren?
I’ve seen tren impact igf badly. Theoretically DHT’s so primo, mast, proviron. Npp shouldn’t be a problem from what I’ve seen.
alright and what about boldenone?
or maybe diffrent way - What are the 'safest' saa to stuck with HGH?
Boldenone is tricky because it does follow a DHT structure but it’s a little different. I don’t know.
Safest? I’d say test, and deca/npp from what I’ve seen. I’ve seen good blood igf tests on guys running nandrolone and test. But like I said, I prefer to use the hgh alone while recovering from anabolics.
Igf should definitely be higher than that. How many ius 4 to 8?
4.8 so almost 5ui per Day!