posted Sat, 07/07/2018 - 09:13
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Training Vs mind and muscle connection
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To improve weak body part improve mind and muscle connection..
More training is counter productive..
Guys what you say about it?????????
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Each set have positive negative, it also help in mmc, some guys neglect negative part of set which is very important specially in bicep tricep sets, if we do slow negative set more muscle contraction..
Lift heavy , controlled, and explosive = building big hard dense muscle.
Always has, always will
I agree. It's good to mix stuff in but I believe the basic way is still the best.
I say just lift the weight until you either fail or burn yo the point you have to quit. Add weight over time. The basics. I see these guys doing super slow and all this baloney . Never seen a really big one. There is no magic combination. I think people over think this stuff..
Im confused . Is there a way to move a muscle with out it being connected to your mind?
Good point..
sexualtyrannasaurusmoving the weight slower on the eccentric (negative) portion actually causes greater muscle growth.
as it requires more motor unit recruitment opposed to just dropping the weight, its the way to completely stress the muscle.
it's not baloney at all
its the #1 factor in causing hyperplasia.
The weight goes up it goes down. You have a positive and negative part on each rep. I train alone so it's not practical. Be honest did you get all that mass doing negatives?
sexualtyrannasaurusevery time I train theres always a controlled negative for every muscle and its done on machines like a pec fly, or bicep curls on the nautilus. Too hard to answer that question but everything contributes
You would like my garage it's full of old Nautilus machines. It's obvious seeing you , you've done all of it at some point. I think variety on the muscle is the important thing. The body quickly adjusts so imo you need to change routines often.
sexualtyrannasaurusI do the same 2 exercises for every muscle group and have 1 alternating. Your body only adjusts to mechanical load. Having a variety of exercises is only necessary if the muscle requires that to hit every head effectively i.e. triceps because your medial head might not be getting equal loads from doing only cable pushdowns. People think that doing all these weird variations of i.e. bicep curls is going to be the secret key to growing huge arms, its not. I've been doing the same 3 exercises for biceps since I started working out and progressed tremendously. BB curls, preacher machine curls and standing dumbbell curls.
There are many other good ways to attack weak body parts. Too many to go into here, but MMC is a good one!
basskiller89I find that lowering the weight helps me contract properly
I agree on mmc!
But I also know plenty of beasts with shit form too that train more
Truth is... it all works
sexualtyrannasaurusmind muscle connection only works on smaller muscles like biceps and rear delts, if you do a squat full range of motion there will be no requirement for mind muscle connection
No way man!! If you use mmc to recruit everything involved across the various positions involved in a squat.... well.... all I can say is your squat improves big time
MMC isnt necessarily a singular focus and maybe we could argue pre-engaging muscles is a factor.... but its still MMC
sexualtyrannasaurusi'll be waiting when you outsquat me.
the heavier the weight, the more motor units will be recruited to complete the lift. if its too heavy you'll use other muscles to complete the lift, or fail the lift simple as that.
this mind muscle connection theory is just another term for lifting with proper form and weight you can actually handle without cheating.
i.e. you do bicep curls with weights you can't handle so you start using your front delt to get it up or swinging it up.
enter "mmc" and you're doing half that weight and majority of load is placed on the bicep.
is there any more to debate on this? lol
are you really gonna use MMC when you're squating 600 pounds for reps to make sure you're making better gains? no, your whole lower body is going to be firing to its maximum capacity to get you through that movement. Where is the MMC needed for this?
You can wait all you want buttercup.
Not necessarily true. Swinging weights is the proof of that. (i.e. shit form)
No, its a little more than that. Primarily it is about engagement/recruitment but also about maintaining that throughout a lift. The actual weight used is irrelevant in that context.
There is no debate! You just dont understand how to articulate what you are talking about particularly well.
Yes/No/Depends is the correct answer, not no!
Situation 1: Power goal; is to shift weight and achieve positions. MMC or anything else really, is seconday to that.
Situation 2: Hypertrophy goal: if you are lifting 600lbs in the hypertrophy rep range/TUT, then sure mmc is important.
So... what are we actually talking about here? Are you just misunderstanding what mmc is? (an intent to purposefully contract a muscle against load)...... or are you just happy to blur the lines where lift heavy lift heavy lift heavy (but lift well) is the only thing you know? or are you a bit more intelligent than that... as your delt comment might indicate, whereby we could agree there is a difference between say a power and a hypertrophy focus? If yes then maybe we might even agree that a power focus is perhaps more about achieving positions to shift numbers, whereas a hypertrophy focus is about a max contraction against any given load (including if in a periodised program and on a strength week(s) part of the prog designed to build/expand muscle???
mmc is just an intent to contract against load rather than an intent to lift numbers. It matter. Call it what you want... proper form, whatever, but intent is powerful and can do good things like correct imbalances from dominant sides etc. It isnt overly complicated.
sexualtyrannasaurusI didn't even bother reading after the first point you made because
Why do you only include my sentence partially? Do you not the read the part that says
thats in essence = BAD FORM
did you just do that with the intent to discredit my claim? because you just twisted my words and used it as your argument.
now if you like i'll debunk the rest of your points as I did the first one.
how does this differ from proper form? lol? by maintaining proper form you're maximizing motor unit recruitment in the exercise for the whole duration of the exercise, do you even know wtf you're talking about? The weight is VERY relevant because the majority of the load is not going to be placed on the muscle you're targeting if its too heavy. All your points are bunk.
I just made a counter argument that destroyed every single one of your claims.
LMAO
Nope, not even close! -1 for idiotic statements.
sexualtyrannasaurusyou got owned buddy.
This I 100 percent agree with.
Well, as a guy with MRI documented left glute atrophy from motor-vehicle accident-roll-over hip dislocation on window mullion I can say after 4 years of squatting trying to achieve perfect form the left glute has now grown in size and the additional neuron growth is giving me better feedback
on getting a symmetrical form,which is still a ways off for me.
I'm now doing box squats with more weight than I can deep squat. (Upper back squat barbell)
This is working good.
I would say there has always been a requirement for the mind-muscle connection when there is a weakness or imbalance.(on squats)
Look who's here! lol Keep fighting!
Hi John,good to see ya.
I've been doing high reps drop sets incline bench dumbells with flys and cable flys to address the
c-4 impingment and weak rotor cuffs.
As a good side effect the arms and chest are getting bigger.
Heard one guy in the gym say to his partner: "Oh yeah everytime I come in here he's doing like 50 reps."
Ya know,trying to denigrate my methods.Water off a ducks back,it ain't one size fits all,like it or not.
Dude has dad bod at half my age and only does 2 reps bench press 3 sets with a spotter.
I don't say anything negative to him about his soon to be injured elbows.
sexualtyrannasaurusi'm confused, you're telling me lifting heavy weights with good form wouldn't cause a growth in your left glute if there was no mind muscle connection?
Yes,because without the mind-muscle connection it would be impossible to approach good form.
It is incredibly hard work to activate an an atrophied muscle.
Severed or pinched nerve endings can slow muscle growth to a crawl or zero,I should know with a blown disc pushing on the main nerve,my rotor cuff and military press is barely advancing.
sexualtyrannasaurusno, it doesn't take hard work to activate an atrophied muscle.
if you're going to do a squat the motor units will fire unless its too much weight for the targeted muscle to handle in which case surrounding muscles will intervene and complete the lift, this argument is nil.
Well I’d say it takes practice to perfect your technique. I’d also do lots of film study on the right technique. Once the form is dialed the mind muscle connection is much more sound and you’ll see better gains as a result.