posted Thu, 03/29/2018 - 04:05
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Testosterone E and Winstrol cycle advice!! Help!!
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Okay so I’m starting a Testosterone E 400 and Winstrol 50 cycle and I hope you guys could give me some advice. Here’s my set up..
Testosterone (inj) 1-10 weeks
400mgs/week (200mg every 3 1/2 days)
Winstrol (oral) 1-6 weeks
50mgs daily
Arimidex 1-10 weeks
.5 mg every other day
Liv-52 1-6 weeks
6 tabs daily
PCT:
Nolva: weeks 11-15
40/40/20/20 (daily for 4 weeks)
Clomid: weeks 10-14
50/50/25/25 (daily for 4 weeks)
Thank you guys in advance for the suggestions! I will be keeping you guys updated when I start my cycle (I still need to decide on the right amounts).
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I like where your test dose is at. I’d just add some proviron and call it a day. 50 mgs provi split am/pm. Check estro four weeks in and add an AI if you need it I’m not one to ask about pct, the bros below have you on that one.
A little proviron is gonna harden things up nicely, control estrogen (somewhat), and make you feel like you’re on a lot more test than you actually are because of all the free testosterone it liberates from shbg.
You do not need to be looking at ANY other orals. You’re not ready and they’d probably do more harm than good. I hope that makes sense.
RustyhookerBoom!!! Well said
2 weeks of pct?!!
Adex from the get go on only 400 migs?!
Oh dearie me
Where do you see 2weeks only? I’m confused. I thought I put week 10-14 PCT. What’s wrong with running the AI from the get go?
RustyhookerCheck your esters for pct bruh. Im not spoonfeeding ya.
Ok then hop off this thread brah
Nothing if you love a crashed estro.
Crashed estro? What do you mean by that? Should I not run AI from the start then? Asking for advice here.. thanks!
Ok, so the two weeks of PCT remark is because you are injecting for 10 weeks and starting PCT week 11. Running a long Ester, it won't clear until the end of week 12. So even though you are taking the products for 4 weeks you will still be "on cycle" for half of your PCT. Thus you will only be doing two weeks of actual PCT. Start your protocol at the start of week 13 instead of week 11.
The crashed estrogen comment is because the long Ester test will take close to four weeks to fully kick in at a stabilized dose. This means that your estrogen won't start to rise high enough to need an AI until two to three weeks in at the earliest. If you start an AI week 1 you will crash your estrogen because your estrogen will be at your baseline level. At 400 mg you may not even need one. Best bet is to have blood work done at the end of week 4 and then use an AI if you seem to need one based on blood work.
I hope this helps
YOUve been such a great help, thank you so much!
You are very welcome. Feel free to send me a friend request if you would like. I have no problem helping you get this set up. There is a TON of great info on this site and numerous very well and experienced users who would be more than willing to help.
Winstrol tends reek havoc on cholesterol values. I don’t recommend it to anyone unless, they are in contest prep. Plus, it does little to nothing unless your in the single digit bodyfat range.
Well my body fat is around 15%, so you’re saying winstrol isn’t worth it? :/ what would be something better to take instead of winstrol? I want to look really nice and fit tbh. Not aiming to be in any contest or anything. Just want to feel good about myself. I ran Test E 400 before around a year and a half ago and it was great. Just want a little something extra this time around get me?
If your looking to lean out you really should focuse more on your diet. Steroids don’t burn fat, diet and cardio do. I would go with anavar over winstrol in your case. That’s not to say test alone won’t give you what your looking for. I’m any case it’s all for nothing if your not eating right. Best of lucky.
Rustyhookerso you lost 6lbs between 2 forums?
1c34l1f3 19 minutes ago @The Impastable
This is my 2nd cycle, I ran test e 400 before for 8 weeks and it went amazing! I just want to look amazing tbh. I’m 6 feet tall, 210 lbs, 18% bf.
Post pix....
I’m gonna answer in this thread...
No there isn’t a dosage or link I can send you. If you want to be fit and look amazing I recommend re-evaluating your diet as it currently is. Post it up. Drugs aren’t going to get you fit and looking amazing, regardless of what you may have heard.
Your PCT needs a rework.
PS: you lost 3% BF between responding to members?
Na I actually got up and put batteries in my bf calculator machine thingy and calculated it because I got asked an exact bf measurement. I was just estimating before. Don’t see why you had to ask that question all sarcastic-like like it was even possible. Cmon brah, you knew the answer to your own question!
RustyhookerActually newb, no i didnt. Everyone here spoonfeeding ya. You aint researched crap. Folks tossing ya cookies so chill your tude, dude!
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You’re new here so that’s why you don’t see why I have to be sarcastic. Spend some time here, you’ll get used to it
You gonna post up that diet, brah?
Goal Weight: 190lbs Start Weight: 210
Wk 1 Start Macros:
70g fat 170g carbs 190g Protein
Calories:2100
Breakfast: 35g Protein 20g fat 39g carbs
4 eggs 2 servings egg whites one half potatoes
Protein Shake:9g fat 18g carbs 32g protein
Lunch: 50g protein 71g carbs 15g fats
Chicken Breast 8oz
Brown rice 1/4 cup
2 servings corn 26 g carbs
Snack 22g carbs 28g protein
2 yogurts
Dinner: 3 servings egg whites 2 eggs
Half cup oatmeal
With such an anemic diet why do you think you need drugs to get you there? What’s your TDEE? Why not increase fats and lower the carbs to get where you want? Why not cut out all carbs after say 12PM?
Limiting carbs and cutting them out all together after noon always works like a charm for me.
basskiller89I lost mass just looking at this diet brother lol
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The cost to benefit just isn’t worth it.
RustyhookerI used to love winny tail end for unbinding and hardening. Finally bought anavar, not looking back!
I don’t know of another anabolic that can dry you out like winstrol but it can completely tank cholesterol in just one week of use. Just not worth it.
So Anavar is better than winstrol? Would I still have to take the Liv-52 to protect my liver?
RustyhookerPost pix....
Priors? Goals? Stats?
PCT is off in more ways than one.
Read Rusty’s PIP forum, you’re gonna need it if you’re taking that concentrated test.
basskiller89Just run a 500mg test e cycle with your adex and cut the winny brother
Need more info (accurate stats, training history, cycle experience etc.). Also, just out of curiosity, why do you plan to run Winny at the start as opposed to the end? With how bad it dries you out your joints are going to be hurting pretty bad running it on the front end before the Test-E has a chance to kick in and add any water retention. Plus, all of the drying and leaning effects from the Winny will be lost by the end of the cycle. I'm not sure what your goals are, but in my opinion you would be better off running it for the last six weeks instead of the first six. If you are looking for an oral to kick start a cycle there are better options than Winny. I am not going to make specific recommendations until I have a better understanding of your training history and cycle experience though.
I am 6ft tall, 210 lbs, about 15% body fat. I have been training for about 8 years and I have taken Test E 400 before, about a year and a half ago. I got good results by it, I just want something that will make me look more cut and lean this time around. Thank you for the advice! So you think I should run it on the back end? So from weeks 4-10 I will be running Winny correct? Should I only do an 8 week cycle or is 10 okay btw? I really just want to look really fit and cut. I heard Winny is one of the best steroids to achieve that. Any other recommendations? I still haven’t ordered my gear btw. also, how does my PCT look like?
Honestly I don't think that Winny is going to give you the results that you are looking for even at 15%-18% bf. You really need to be in the single digits to notice the results. However, if you do run it I would suggest running it on the tail end.
Running a long ester test, your true cycle duration is about 2 weeks longer than you are injecting. So if you inject for 10 weeks it is actually a 12 week cycle. If you do go with Winny for six weeks, I would go with either weeks 4-10 or 5-11, but honestly I don't think that you will get the results that you want at this point.
Also, start your PCT protocol at the start of week 13 instead of week 10. If you start it week 10 the first two weeks (and thus the highest doses) will be a waste.
Solid advice bro
Any previous cycles ? Are you stats correct ? Bodyfat % ? Or an estimate ? You going to do pre cycle bloods to see what your baseline testosterone , estrogen is etc.
I ran Test E 400 about a year and a half ago. I’m 6 feet tall, about 15% body fat, 210lbs. No I don’t think I will to be honest with you.
Is this your first cycle?
No I ran Test E 400 about a year and a half ago.