posted Thu, 10/19/2017 - 10:50
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+ 5 Off season cycle from George Farah’s Camp
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One of Farah’s ifbb pro’s under him had me doing this when I hired him...enjoy.
Circa 2010, for an intermediate level npc SHW
1 Sust 250 eod switched to Enan 250 after 8 weeks
1 Deca 200 eod switched to EQ 200 after 8 weeks
5iu gh ed
4 weeks in, 50mg dbol ed for 6-7 weeks
Nothing special or fancy...more to follow...diet posted in the weight gain forum
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basskiller89I emailed Farah out of curiosity
He responded that day
5 grand for a 16 week prep
growthmanWow! Use to be $5k for the year. Prayers for his health right now
I got gyno reading this, so thanks lol.
Why would you only run deca or EQ for 8 weeks only, let alone switch one for the other? I could see switching NPP for bold cyp, but The deca is only rockin for a couple weeks and you’re like “just kidding”. Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Seems like one of those “keep the body guessing” nonsense and that the test and dbol did the heavy lifting.
Then again the doses are high enough that I’m sure you got something out of the deca/eq. I dunno, I’d love to hear the logic behind it. I’m surely not advanced so I could be missing something... or a guy with great genetics that anything would work for had it work out for him and gave it to another guy with great genetics.
I’d love to compare the results to if you just ran eq for 16 instead of switching mid way. My money would be on the 16eq winning out. Oh well. We’ll never know. Unfortunately there’s no way to really compare perfectly. Ok I’m done rambling.
growthmanHonestly as a whole, if we compared Deca for 6-8 weeks then eq for 6-8 weeks vs either for 12-16 weeks, my honest opinion is that the difference (either way), would be so minimal that you wouldn’t notice a difference. If gear makes up 20-25% of the bodybuilding pie, you’re talking about a % of a % of the whole pie. As opposed to a significant diet, training, or resting tweak that would yield a different end result.
I think you’re right in that the pro coaching me prob just had me do it just because it was all he knew...he had the genetics no matter what he too...guys in the 90’s were pioneers and did shit that now may not be recognized as the best way to do things.
I don’t disagree. And like I said, I’m not advanced and have zero desire to be under 10% let alone compete. It just seems to me that switching the two longest esters out for each other at the point that they’re just starting to get going doesn’t make logical sense. I could totally get on board with switching out Npp for bold cyp tho.
But you’re right, I’m theory aas isn’t as big an impact, but it does effect the final look.
My prolactin just spiked through the roof reading 800mg deca/week! Lol
RustyhookerI gave ya a +2 on second page. It's good to see adv cycles posted and reviewed. I just worried about newbs copying. But in reality, they can find similar about anywhere.
I ran a 750/750/750 test, eq, mast a while back. Had npp at 300 week 2-10 so the eq didnt need frontload. I did enjoy the npp at 300 and modified the variation to 750 test, 350 mast, 300 npp as well as other routes.
dont try it unless you've got good grip on priors. Bloods tested often and proper ancillaries.
I can think of 3 minimum where they not only are able to find this type of info, but are encouraged to run it.
Is like to see more of these cycles discussed, as the private group is a little quiet.
RustyhookerPrivate group clammed up vecause when you're fully beyond your genetics or close to it.... the game changes. I dont post much just because i dont want these 165 pounder 6ft tall floppers running it. Tgese days, thats all we got on forums.
When i got here tge dudes had a base, were rocked and needed lil tweaks or on track to hit goals.
What theory etc would you like to see posted?
growthmanI’ve never heard the term 6’ 160lb ‘flopper’ lmao haven’t gotten this out my head since I wrote this up.
RustyhookerLmao!! I think spellcheck went sideways.
Pounds23Hey rusty I wasn't a member back them but I'm curious to know did alot of the guys then have better bases and look better before they started running anything and were the cycles more modest and not so many compounds and at such high dosages I feel like alot of the guys today are starting crazy cycles with high ass mg it's like what happens to hard work good diet and food training hard as hell and modest gear plus I see some of these people that have selfies with zero base man zero looking all soft and fat no muscle bellies then they say there cycle and there running more gear then me and way more dangerous compounds there running there gear in the gram range to750- and 500 least and it's funny cause some of the best looking guys on here are running the least amount of gear but have the best diets and bust there ass in the gym they see these pics of the pros or guys that just look good and think right away I wanna look like that he must be taking high amounts of gear that's what I'm gunna do and its gunna happen over night when in reality it took that guy 3-7 years to look like that I'm just curious of weither the bases back then on eroids were better and what the dosages were like?
Oh I fully agree with you Rusty, there definitely are too many twiglets running around cloning cycles with no research.
I'm always curious and looking to learn, so I understand the reason for the group. We keep it clean and strict here but loosen up in there. I've always been curious about people running 2 19nors, oral stacks, alternating compounds mid cycle, etc. All of it is shit I'll never do, so I guess that's why my curiosity is always peaked by those topics since I'd like to atleast understand the reasoning behind it.
RustyhookerI'll get something going in public. We can add or modify . Its crappy that there's twigs with magic pill needs but its stiffling the intermediate users.
There'll always be twigs with magic pill needs who will just lurk or observe the threads here and elsewhere. I think the community as a whole does a good job monitoring whenever they get involved with things above their abilities.
If the mods are okay with it in the open forums, great. If it starts getting out of hand it can be taken down, nobody would object to that. If it's not worth the risk, it can be thrown up in the private group.
I'm the same way, I know about a lot of shit I'll never ever do, but I just like to learn about it. It's interesting
All you gotta do is google literally an ifbb pros name followed by cycle and it comes up. Or advanced cycle etc. we do have some incredibly lazy people on here though. Peole that would rather make a post asking a simple question rather then use the search or google. So maybe, just maybe these people don't know about more advanced cycles as we don't post them and they're to lazy to bother looking at other forums. Doubt we're stopping anyone who's got their mind made up though.
growthmanIf 2-3 vets give the ok I’ll post another thread similar with the cycle and diet given to me by one of Hany Rambods ifbb pros.
Warning it’s borderline intermediate/advanced.
I wouldn't even be able to handle this one so I am sure I wouldn't be able to handle that one. lol Typically on my bulks I like to go easy with the compounds. I tend to go a little over board on my preps though.
growthmanI couldn’t agree more. More compounds (for me)=less appetite and less sleep, 2 variables more important than the gear usage.
growthmanThanks Rusty
growthmanPre contest cycle posted here
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/pre-contest-cycl...’s-camp
That one seems a little more standard.Interesting!
growthmanIt’s crazy to me that this thread has 43 replies, but the diet that accompanied it (posted in the weight gain section) has 0.
I felt like it was a good post but this is eroids.People love gear talk!
The weight gain forum is a less visited forum in general, which is probably why. I'd link to it in your OP to direct the eyes there.
growthmanGood idea, done
Edit. Fuck it, can't get the link to work.
To big of a cycle for me yet but if you have the mass and experience with a running a 19nor that high I could see how how it would work. Dbol also tanks my appetite so that probably wouldn't work for me either. I would be more interested in seeing the precomp cycle to see if I could handle one of those.
growthmanPosting up the transition into pre-contest now...
Dbol usually fucks Ip my appetite also. Until this cycle when I have very high quality dbol. No heart burn raging appetite. I've heard from others the quality of dbol matters, not really sure how high quality could effect appetite and not cause heart burn, seems like that would be the drug in itself. but my experience has shown it to be true. I'm glad cause I love the stuff and it's a great muscle builder.
I have a few brands of dbol. I might try a different one to see if that changes things. 10 days in on my last dbol run and it seemed like I was on an appetite suppressant. Wasn't gaining much weight because of that.
I had similar symptoms until I tried adding mk677. Fixed it completely. 50 mgs mk677 in the morning and 50 mgs dbol preworkout had me eating like a horse. Put on 10 lbs in 4 weeks and kept 6.
growthmanX3, potent dbol and anadrol do the same to me...
Thanks for posting this up. Nothing crazy at all if you got a little bit of experience. Less then a gram of test and 700mgs of deca or eq. I've thought about doing something similar, switching from deca to eq but In my experience eq is much weaker then deca, and imo when things stall you gotta run something more powerful to keep the gains going. But going from deca to eq to tren, progressively drying out more snc more with I like that idea. I've switched from npp to tren before, but going from bulking to cutting. Been meaning to try switching compounds mid cycle when bulking for years now. Never got around to it. Maybe this cycle, bout 2 weeks in on npp now, and I have some great eq. Maybe it's worth a shot.
growthmanThanks Iron...FYI you’re right on the money...pre contest then it switched to prop and tren and ...
growthmanDiet to accompany the cycle found here
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-gain/offseas...’s-camp
That’s what I’m looking for. Nice
growthmanWho negged me?
I'll fix it...
I guess I have questions to tho. Did you copy and paste this? And what do you mean by offseason cycle?
growthmanI did not copy and paste, but have shared it on other forums in the past.
Offseason cycle as in a mass gaining phase
It seems the dbol would be run on the front end?
growthmanNo front loading, he had me wait until all of the compounds were going, then use it...patience
I see.Not how I would do it but I'm not a pro.I don't think you should be getting negged for answering me so +
A pro had you running dbol going into a show? Not worried about bloat? Maybe I’m misreading this...
growthmanInto a show? This is offseason
Says leading into NPC show. That led me to beleive it was not off season. Figured I might have been confused. I neged it then realized this might be the case so I plused it . My bad...
Are you kidding? You wrote this........"Circa 2010, for an intermediate level npc SHW"
Child please, get it together before your next attempt at a post.
growthman‘Child please’?
Once again this was for an offseason. Not pre contest bud. Pre contest things changed obviously.
I see you just joined a month ago. Welcome
"Circa 2010, for an intermediate level npc SHW" You write this in your post then claim , no no precontest, offeseason. One would hope that you understand the confusion you have created by your own words
As a new member , one would think older members would know how to post clearly and concisely in forums