posted Wed, 10/11/2017 - 02:13
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First Cycle, need some advice!
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
This is my second attempt on making my first cycle.
I've been training for 10 years now. I'm 26 and hit my peak at ~ 21-22. Since than I had a couple of injuries. Now I'm back in training for the last 1,5 years without any major issus.
I train six times a week plus one hour of cardio every day. Diet is in check. Bloodwork is normal, according to my doctor.
As many of you suggested, it's test only. Because of that I'm not sure if the PCT is overkill. Same goes for the hCG. AS far as I understood Arimidex at 0,5 eod would be to much, so I would try 0,5 twice a week and run it until the PCT.
HCG would be 250UI 2/wk the whole cycle, or would there be any benefit in increasing it during PCT?
Thanks for any help, comment or advice!
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate | Pregnyl | Tamoxifen | Arimidex | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 200mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 2 | 250mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 3 | 250mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 4 | 250mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 5 | 250mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 6 | 250mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 7 | 250mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 8 | 250mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 9 | 250mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 10 | 300mg | 500UI | 1mg | ||
| 11 | 500UI | 1mg | |||
| 12 | 500UI | 0,5mg | |||
| 13 | 500UI | 40mg ed | 100mg ed | ||
| 14 | 500UI | 40mg ed | 100mg ed | ||
| 15 | 250UI | 20mg ed | 50mg ed | ||
| 16 | 250UI | 20mg ed | 50mg ed |
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Great advice +
Post bloodwork, diet and training details and goals
What exactly is your base test level and why are you choosing 250mg per week? Post those bloods... if you havent seen them you will not know if 250 could be a good dose or the type of damage to the HPGa you could be moving towards. Get printout from doc, edit out name etc and post in images section then post link here... of you have done bloods that is! This is important as Jay below says.
Given many trt users aromatise on less then that dose.... well....
Curious about your bodyweight and fat % - can you post an anon picture because Ai advice cannot be specific without knowing for sure where you are at (due to the aromatase content of fat)?
Due to the fact that HCG causes in-testes estro production that cannot be mitigated by an Ai, we also need a pic to see if your body can handle the extra load of estro from a full cycle hcg usage as well as potential estro rise from the greater than TRT levels dose of test you plan to use.
You posted a review on several peptides 4 weeks ago... whats up with that?
Nobody should be giving you cycle advice without all of that info
Oh, and cardio kills gains, sorta... so again; goals/food/training plan?
I would run test at 500mg a week, don't really think you need hcg all the way through at that dose of test.
I would use hcg for the last 4-weeks at 500-1000iu twice a week.
Arimidex at .5mg 2-3 days a week worked fine for me, but everyone is different so you may have to adjust the doses
I ran 250 mg a week for my first cycle and gained 30 lbs. That was with real pharma test. I'm always a proponent of less is better, if it's working for you.
@jacko29,
Sir,
You seem to have serious approach to the our sport which is always great to see. Hope you have done hormone level blood work too not just a general as this will be very important for your future reference.In regards to aromatase inhibitor you will need to do another blood work couple weeks in to your cycle to monitor your estradiol and also prolactin levels. You need to know for sure if the synthetic hormone substance aromotase, only then you can adjust aromatase inhibitor accordingly. You do not want to kill your estradiol level to 0 as your cycle will be wasted and you will not be feeling too well.
Hope this will help.
HCG seems to be unnecessary unless you get testicular atrophy, which I believe would be very unlikely. I don't think you need to run AI, just keep it on hand just in case. Blood work midcycle if you are really worried about estro build up
Edit
Your 'advice' is bad juju
That’s very eloquent of you
LOL
+ for humour ;-)
Bloods has to be the decider. It's an essential rather than an optional. We cant advise someone to use (or not to use), when they (nevermind we) dont know their body yet.
Your advice is almost there, but not quite. Treat the newbies like they are your brother and their health depends on it (especially if its terrible stuff they have planned)
HCG usage is subjective, but... there are many more benefits to hcg usage than the aesthetics alone. This lad wont have a way to measure shrinkage or apotosis
apoptosis is norma, when the body is in homeostasis, but it goes into overdrive somewhat when the balls arent used (/needed)
Just a few things to think about when advising one way or the other, there is usually a bigger picture than our own indvidual opinions
agreed,
My Bad, Let me clarify, what I meant by my comment. Everybody reacts to different compounds differently, I would agree that Blood Work would be your best bet to actually “tune in” your dosage correctly. The comment is what would work for me at those test dosages. Again, what is what would work for ME. At the end of the day, only the individual can tune in their dosages properly.
Bloodwork period. Its about more than estro build up. Its about making sure your body is healthy. Of course you can just check that but imo ( for what its worth) watch the rest of your health. And stay on top of estro, dont just go into into damage control when it gets out of hand.
agreed.
Good advice below if it was me as far as blood work i would pull labs before beginning the cycle then say 4 to 6 weeks in then once i was running my pct just my two cents stay healthy
So the 1st cycle I ran was 500mg test only. I began taking Aromasin right away. Bad idea. I felt horrible. I tried different dosages throughout the 1st few weeks and around week 6 pulled bloods. Make sure you do this because my estro was pretty hi and at the time I pulled them I never would have thought so. I actually was feeling pretty good. I switched to did Arimidex .25 eod and this was perfect FOR ME. I did not use nor need hcg. Regarding pct what I did was 50 clomid for 1 week then 25 then stop. That is ME. Do what is right for you but go as low on the dosage with any compound as you can and get expected results. Make sure you get your blood work done at least during cycle. Since my cycle I tell guys its good to have Aromasin and Arimidex on hand. Just in case. Have a diet plan in place and stick to it. Keep a journal of food, training and how you feel. It is very helpful to look back on so you can tell how you reacted to a change of dosage or anything else. Anyway thats my experience and thoughts. Of course do what is right for you as we're all different but do yourself a favor and dont skip out on the bloodwork. Its so helpful. Good luck!
Thanks for the answer! Will do bloodwork on week 2. I do log everything else. What sides did you experience on Aromasin? The hcg I'm still not sure about, I've read diffent oppinoins on it,. Some say it's good to run a low dose during cycle, some say it should be used only during PCT at 2500UI per week. Since it is possible that a high dose could be a chemical castration, I chose the first one, it made sense to me
What is your goal? As far as your AI goes, you may not need it at all, especially at 250mg a week unless you are prone to gyno. Let blood work a few weeks into the cycle determine that, it's the only way to accurately zero it in.