+ 1 Fat burns! My impressions, dosages, course.
I divide fat burns into two groups - those that burn fat and those that burn cash! Warning- no research, theories, and evidence. Only my practice.Hope this info will help you, but In pursuit of overweight, there is a high probability of harming your health. Special for kids- the most important component of success is your schedule! This is my top and doses!
T4.By the way, in the description of the drug indicated that the reception of one of them contributes to the suppression of appetite. Personally, my appetite is increasing, significantly. I start with 100mcg bring up to 200mcg at the peak after 2 weeks use 50mg weekly.In parallel, iodine tablets a day. Important not to use after the nap on the empty stomach. after 4 weeks I start with T3 12,5 mcg during the week I raise to 50 mcg.
In emergency situations, I can increase the dose to 75-100 mcg. But when I start feel fucked up I go down till 50mcg. 50mcg for T4 is safety dose, but 50mcg of T4 can seriously disrupt the thyroid gland.
Start the course is smooth, just smoothly and finish it. In plus with T3 I use clen. The standard scheme, smoothly from 40 to 160 mcg in two sets, the first half of the day. Recommended scheme for the reception of clenbuterol-course duration 14 days, 7-10 days break. And the most likely is sibutramine, of course, like everything what I use, otherwise, I would not do it. If there are problems with gluttony, nothing will solve these problems as this stuff.When the metabolism is so untwisted that EAT HUNTING every hour, overeat the amount of protein that is not good for health, I am not talking about a definition. that's why I plus 15mg of sibutramine in the last month after breakfast.Thus, I manage to keep the number of prot-carbs-fat normal. The average time taken for sibutramine is 8-12 weeks.
Fat burns like a black mamba, lipo etc don't use at all. Of course, I lack the necessary minerals and vitamins necessary for health, various additives and complexes of the type - zinc, B series vitamins, preparations for blood vessels, bones, brains and other things.
Be reasonable, respect and health to everybody!
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Probably best to not take advice from someone who can't write,in a way that it make sense.Usually when someone list T4 as a fat burner I tune out.
I had a hard time understanding what the heck you wrote here. I guess that is a good thing though. lol
Hey kids, I want you to take note that the fella that wrote this shit has been banned. Why? Because the pics that he posted were of a professional bodybuilder and not him. So...if you took his advice you are probably going to get sick.
This is the Internet. Use extreme caution when taking anyone's advice.
Nice work
I dont think 23 year old kids should be giving advice about T4.
So....either you are lying about your age or your pics are stolen from a 23 year old bodybuilder. Which one is it?
unreal89So much drama
As someone who has hypothyroidism (underactive thryoid gland) I can only speak in that regard. And my advice is be careful. The thyroid controls more than most people think. Ive been taking 225 mg of levothyroxin daily for 10 years or so but before I was diagnosed with this I was overweight, slept like shit, depressed, and just a shitty quality of life overall. I understand why people use these meds to loose weight but like you say, just be careful, you really dont want to permanently damage your thyroid to shed a few lbs. Lets keep putting good info about this up so people can have an idea what they're doing
Wow 225 mg I've been on 100mg for 2 years now and I still don't think my doc has it right i still fight the lethargy and sleep problems and the depression gets almost scary at times my levels still keep going up and down I think I need to find a different doc after reading your comment
BobwarAgree! I like experiments, like to mix, big sizes and doses! But! I have my own doc, often I check thyroid, heart with all valves, my health is on the point+ I'm lucky to have a great genetic! I had a bad experience while bulking,, Really big doses.. I\ll try to write about that next time. Thank you for advice, man!
Great job dude, nice info (:
BobwarThanks, bro!
I think someone swapped your T3 with LSD there poncho
T4 isn't a fat burner fyi and neither is sibutramine
You are recommending ineffective witch doctoring and really should STFU before your words give someone a stroke
If you do not know something, does not mean it's not true. Better at first you read, or ask in PM, before comment instead of writing stupidity and disgrace yourself....LOL
Hey PussyNegger
Cast away your ignorance and read the research I have posted to this Bob chap. Then you can come back to me and apologise.
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okay, thanks. I think we need to stop karma war, and start to discuss like adults, without -ses
haha good man, agreed
I am starting a separate forum on T4 so as not to keep interrupting Bob's
ok if you agree, I will take my previous and not beautiful words, back. But let start from giving karma back, then we can start to discuss like good friends. I will start to do it.
He is correct though bro. T4 is useless unless you are hypothyroid as it converts to t3 when ingested but for a normal person thats has a normally functioning thyroid it will not be converted to t3 as the body already has enough. This is then deemed useless in terms of fat burning as the t4 has no conversion and will just stay floating around the body doing nothing from what I understand. Either way t3 is the way to go over t4!! Haha
It not a full right thing. Is it only in theory. But in my experience and in the experience of Bob it was worked. T4 levels on each human are different, and every time I take T4, in a front of T3 because necessary to raise your T4 to max level at first. That was said my doc, it not my opinion and not comes from my fantasy. That says and Bob. I do it for safety. And when my T4 on the max level I start T3. Let see the logic now. If your T4 not on max lvl, and you raise it on max lvl, T4 converts to T3 and it is a start of some fat burn. That's what I mean. I fully agree what when T4 on max lvl, additional consuming of it have no effect.......damn (:
BobwarListen, you don't have any pieces of knowledge if you can say that T4 isn't a fat burn!! The only idiot doesn't know about T4 and the difference between T3 and T4.! Especially for you, study! http://sportwiki.co/index.php?title=Thyroxine#Difference_between_T3_and_T4 !! Second- READ MY ARTICLE NORMAL !! I don't recommend. People who are interesting in doses for their states write me in PM. Stop rubbing the protein in the head and eyes, take a book and think before write!!
Oh my gawd, you're so very, very silly. Let's educate you here... T4 is NOT a fat burner! Your wiki also confirms that. Let me repeat as you seem to be hard of hearing/reading...... T4 is not a fat burner.
Perhaps this research might help you understand....
Braveman et al showed T4 given exogenously raises T3 levels, therefore it converts. But they concluded that any resulting metabolic change must be questioned as to whether it is T3 driven or related to T4.(1)
In a 6-year long, cross-sectional/longitudinal/follow-up study of normal middle aged men, Kim et al found that increased T3 levels can lead to metabolic syndrome(2)
It has been found that glucose stimulates a conversion of T4 to T3, and fasting/dieting reduces this conversion, therefore in a calorie deficit, you may in fact be hindering this process, which is a prpoblem is indeed T4 doesnt significantly affect metabolism/fat loss other than via a conversion to T3 (3)
It has been proven in normal thyroid functioning women that the administration of L-thyroxine can increase serum levels of T4 and T3 with .3MG only marginally increases BMR. Resulting in your pituitary supressing thyroid production (4). Basically, you have just given yourself thyrotoxicosis/hypothyroidsm by administering T4, where between 33%-60% of it converts to T3 anyway and only provides a resulting marginal MBR increase. (3)(4)
But hey, if that's not enough, lets take a look in reverse. Middle aged men often develop lowered BMR and increase fat %'s. Perhaps we can look at T4 there, or the conversion to understand whether we can reverse engineer a solution. Well in 2005 Polito et al (5) did this... they observed previous studies and their own in vitro studies showed that a decreased conversion of T4–T3 takes place, and that the older actors in the studies had higher plasma T4 levels. It could be argued that this perhaps proves T4 is worthless for fatloss, at least in older men, or anyone with lower BMR, but it proves increased T4 levels do not necessarily cause any positive changes to BMR/energy expenditure.
So let's be clear, T4 is NOT a fat burner (5)(6), nor does it make muscles less efficient (6). Couple this last study (5) with the other studies listed(1-6), and at best you can argue taking T4 increases T3 levels which can positively increase EE/BMR. Well Whoop Dee Doooo, just use T3 then! DUUUUH!
(1) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC535757/pdf/jcinvest00221-00...
(2) http://www.eje-online.org/content/176/4/443.full
(3) https://www.nature.com/pr/journal/v13/n10/pdf/pr1979368a.pdf
(4) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC302354/pdf/jcinvest00181-00...
(5) http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v59/n2s/full/1602299a.html
(6) http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/thy.2007.0037
Bobwaryou're contradicting yours! Quote:
" Couple this last study (5) with the other studies listed(1-6), and at best you can argue taking T4 increases T3 levels which can positively increase EE/BMR."
Really???
Nope not at all. Re-read it!
-1 for being ridiculous
BobwarI say that seldom- but you're really stuped! And such people as you are people say that protein is a chemistry, evil and if you use pharm you will die!! I'm here not to prove you nothing, you're nobody for me. You can think how you want! Be healthy!
you're really stuped!
lol
well done fella, well done, touché!
Hence if T4 increases the level of T3, the MBR rises, as a consequence, fat burning, it a simple logic. Read by yourself your shit, you're contradicting yourself. Dumbass.
I said T4 is NOT a fat burner
OP said it was
T4 is not a fat burner.
Read it again
-1 for being ignorant in the face of evidence
LMAO, dude, you are not an authority for me. Have your brains and logic? Then turn them on at last!
I see that you only shit here on the forum, and draw 157 karma from users. Fkn asshole.
Huh? what are you talking about? Your behaviour is verrrrrrrrrry strange!
I think you're not understanding me, seems to be a language barrier. When I used the words ""I said" I am explaining to you that what I said was 1 thing and what you concluded was a separate thing. I was not speaking authoritatively, but highlighting your misunderstanding.
Read the research educate yourself using those who are authorities knowledge!
I am an asshole? That's not very nice.
-1 for being mean!
I do not see the sense to argue with a man, who in the presence of brains not like turn them on and only contradicts yourself.
Don't argue with me at all. No point. The info provided is not my opinion but the research results and hypothesis of others. Do you know what I mean?
Why dont you read the info and critique it? If you think it is wrong, or if you think your close friend Bob is right about T4 being a fat burner, then perhaps you could provide a shred of evidence to support what you or he is saying. If you cannot do that, then the position stands that Bob is providing dangerous misinformation. That's not good for anyone, particular newbies who are young and easily influenced by more experienced guys like you. So step back from insulting me and have a critical think about what Bob has said, or what I have said to the contrary.
It's not about arguing and you shouldn't be calling someone names in this forum. Its about different points of view and evidence and education.
BobwarFirst, we 're not a good friend, he's just an adequate person. Second- " Warning- no research, theories, and evidence. Only my practice.Hope this info will help you, but In pursuit of overweight, there is a high probability of harming your health. Special for kids- the most important component of success is your schedule! ". Also in the internet you can find different info. But also you should read it, not only ctrl c+ctrl v, know chemistry little bit, understand and feel how it works. You act like an old teacher who wants to prove that the world is square..and found this somewhere in books.
Weeeeell I gotta say Bob, Im actually the opposite of the old teacher (even is I am getting old now haha)!
I cannot stand what I call 'conventional wisdom' - which is the usual stuff we see on internet forums
You know what I mean, it could be anything, a PCT program, advice about tren, advice about hcg or doses of this that and the other.
Only through research, personal experience and experience of others, clinical trials etc etc, can we truly become authorities on something.
I do not know who is right here, but I think that the most important is your definition. You are educated enough as much as you look great and healthy. Please, do not fight, guys. Everything can be fixed in peace