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Currently on 500mg test E a week, 250mg e3.5d
arimidex 0.5mg e2d

no water retention.
blood pressure on the higher side but not dangerously (have allways bin on the higher range)

stats
37years old
height 5feet 9inches 175cm
weight 198lbs 90kg
approximately 17% body fat (+/-1%)

Physical appearance is good, feel great, strong as an bull. Libido by it self is through the roof.

problem is when getting it on then wood just seems to disappear, usually able to bring it back (not as strong though) and finish the job but that's can be quite a work.

bloodwork for this is a though one in my country. Not as open minded as many other.

Some might joke "get a hotter girlfriend". No need she is awesome extremely high libido her self and smoking hot, I have envy of many men.

hopefully some experienced members can brainstorm with me what could possibly be causing this and come up with solutions.

best regards

Sam I Am's picture

Add 50 mgs of provi If that doesn't work just go down on her till your off cycle I'm not a big fan of the ed meds Get her off and get on with your day It will just make her want you more

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fusebox's picture

Fat thumb negged you so I fixed it. But I don't condone your advise. So don't think I gave you thumbs up

TheFlash85's picture

Lay naked on bed, face down, hands on floor as if doing push ups, spread legs as if wheel barrow handles, have one chick eat your arse out and one underneath sucking your dick, make sure they take turns on the balls. If you cant maintain your " wood" with that i advise seeing a doctor. Good luck.

Drock_357's picture

I believe that is the laying down version of the "rusty trombone" ....no first hand experience tho, only what I "read" in books...

Sam I Am's picture

The way Flash has women stalking him on here I would listen

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TheFlash85's picture

Thank you very much cunt. Nothing feels better. Honestly its like testosterone, once youve had it, you always want it.

Sam I Am's picture

Words of wisdom

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7gothic's picture

Viagra and Cilais are great tools, but I"m very careful to limit their use--- like anything else, you can become desensitized to them.

giardap's picture

actually you raise an interesting point as Cialis will help bring the BP down too if I am not mistaken

eastcoastmuscle's picture

Everyone is different but for some reason when Adex starts dropping my estrogen I start having ED issues , sometimes with very low doses and not even bringing me below normal range . just another possibility, guess it's a matter of getting to know your body and how it reacts to different things . Just noticed your post below that you had high estrogen so guess my issue is not your cause .

giardap's picture

Focus on the problem and forget the noise
Drop the provi and dont add any other compounds, Forget about your AI possibly being bunk (no way to know that unless you get the AI itself tested, some people need higher/lower doses, some people are non-responders)

Keep the AI at 1mg EOD for 4-5 days, see how it goes, if you dont fully respond, up it again and get tested after another 4-5 days to see where your estro is at. Hormone management needs to be dialed in as it is completely subjective.

For peace of mind if genuinely worried your AI is fake, you could order some pharma aromasin from a different trusted supplier but (wouldnt wish to get caught doing that in Sweden) - However, in the mean time, focus on the actual problem as if it is not bunk and try to dial it in, the bloods will be your best guide as to how your body is responding

giardap's picture

Why should he screw with dosage adjustments without bloods
He shouldnt!

BOTH....high and low estro messes with boners
Correct!

He shouldn't SCREW with anything, he should act to dial in his dosages to improve his situation. Not sure what you mean by "without bloods" - I dont think anyone has advised him not to get bloods taken

He has had hormone imbalance symptoms, he has been advised to get bloods, He has had bloods taken, he has high estro, I advised to play with the AI to DIAL IT IN, he has been advised to get bloods again afterwards

One of his big problems is the situation in Sweden with how people using AAS are treated by the establishment

zhrg's picture

Bloods have been taken and results are in this thread.
Estrodiol was high

zhrg's picture

Since getting the bloodwork results yesterday that showed estrodiol to high and getting the comment about my Ai being a bunk I decided to do something also because not having another Ai at hand at the moment, nothing to loose.

Yeasterday was pin day, so at around 21:00 to my shot.
I also took 50mg proviron
And upped the adex dosing from 0.5mg to 1mg

The evening went mr. Woody was functionalish, not exactly how we want.

Saturday morning came decided that holding 50mg proviron in won't hurt since it doesn't aromatise, everything was as before but couple of hours later the awesomest erection emerged with following hornyness. It did stay that way for the biggest part of the day. But in the evening seem to taper off.

To you knowledgeable guys, does this make sense as a theory what might just have happens.
The 1mg adex i took when metabolized gets to work right away and punches my estrodiol right down below some line where it is in my good zone, causing the erection and huge libido spike.
Then as day passes the Test E from the shot yesterday rises and starts to aromatise as well driving the estrodiol back over that sweet-spot line causing it to taper off?

giardap's picture

This is absolutely possible, but your proviron may be upping free test providing a temporary fix
I would drop the provi for now and address the problem per my other post
But if concerned that you are missing a window, what you could do, is get a diagram of the plasma half life's of both compounds and time your AI intake so that its peak plasma level occurs when your test is dropping off

zhrg's picture

Estrogen stats are in
Good thing I did not stop the are

----------------------------------- Result--------------- should be
S-Östradiol, -------------- total 281---------- < 150 pmol/L

Test and free testosterone will probably be in on Monday

So now we know that. Any suggestions from you knowledgeable guys, any protocol how best is to drop it fast with out going to low?

KMC's picture

This is a good news/bad news moment.

The internet pharmacy you bought your testosterone from,............. is selling the real stuff.

The douche bag that sold you your A.I., ............is a douche bag.

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zhrg's picture

Ai is Read Rules
Serial Number 5551212
Batch No: D0N0TD0TH15

Suppose to be the real stuff

Any suggestions for a protocol to tackle it?

I was thinking 1mg instead of the 0.5mg I have been taking but take that for 2days straight then 0.75mg e2d after. Se if that will keep me steady at a good level.
Also adding 50mg proviron a day since it has anti estro effect.
All thoughts welcome.

KMC's picture

The dose you were taking should have been more than enough. The problem is not in the size or frequency of the dose. The problem is that I have doubts whether the AI is real.

I'm sure the serial number and batch number are correct, (counterfeiters don't last long by using incorrect information). Clearly it is not working for you. The PCT and AI products for use in a cycle are the most critical and why they should always be pharma grade.

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zhrg's picture

I apologize posting the name. Did not know that, won't happen again.

I'm sure this won't break the rules.
The Ai comes from one of the biggest player on this market. So should be quality stuff.
I'm not willing to say the Ai is bunk, also it's bought from a well respected distributor who has been on the market for many years.
But one should never say never.

I was also able too see a analysis of the test I have been shooting. Yes they are clearly real and more. A bit over dosed, instead of being 250mg per ml they came out to be 330mg per ml.

Greg's picture

Read the rules... Again.

Makwa's picture

First off, is your ai pharma or research?

zhrg's picture

From a big respected supplier

zhrg's picture

Or using a different measurements

Estrodiol is 76.55 pg/ml

vhman's picture

Wood Dissapearing

I thought this was some lame environmental post.

Your BP is high and you need to get it down asap.

KMC's picture

I'll have you know I was once a logger in the great Sahara Forest.

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Greg's picture

You must have been good at it.

KMC's picture

You must have been good at it.

Yes! .............. yes I was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara

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Manshit's picture

Everything seems to be in range but I dont see your estrogen,estrodiol.Your sex horomone binding globuels are on normal range as well.Everything looks pretty good,except you blood pressure sucks.Lower the arimidex and less often,in fact lose it all together unless you get some nipple sensitivity.This should remedy your wood problem.Some magnesium @1300 mg twice a day will bring that blood pressure down and add coQ10 as well.

zhrg's picture

Some lab results are in. You guys can hopefully analyse to depths and give me feedback. The rest will be posted as soon as I get them.

Blood-status. -------- Results. ----------- Range
B-Erytrocyter. --------- 5.5 ------------- 4,2-5,7 10(12)/L
B-EVF ---------- 0.50 ------------------ 0,39-0,50 fraktion
B-Hb. ----------- 162 ----------------- 134-170 g/L
B-MCHC ----------- 327 ----------------- 317-357 g/L
B-MCV --------- 90 --------------- 82-98 fL
Erc(B)-MCH ---------- 29.3 ---------------- 27-33 pg

------------------------------ Result. ------------ Range
S-SHBG ----------------- 23 ------------- 10-57 nmol/L

Prostage. ------------------ Result. ---------------- Range
P-PSA, total --------------- 1.0 ------------------ <3,0 µg/L
P-PSA,kvot (fri/total) ---- 0.25 -------------- >0,18

Thanks in advance guys

pege's picture

i cant really read it. but ill give you a +1 for actually getting blood work. good job.

zhrg's picture

Blood pressure
150/94

giardap's picture

Is that in Swedish?
BP is elevated, and over time isnt good. AAS is likely to cause spikes in BP too,
Can you get a monitor and test it when on your own/in a relaxed environment? Get a take on what its like 80% of the time, sort of thing...
Elevated BP can effect arteries/blood vessels and the workings of the little general as a result - something to bear in mind
Your free test should be ok from that SHBG reading
red blood cells are up, but that happens with AAS, good for the muscles (and hemoglobin reading is also good), - but you might want to think again on the BP as a + in red blood cells can lead to a + in blood pressure

Need to see the Estro reading

Did your Doc read the results/give thoughts?

zhrg's picture

Yes in Swedish. I am actually a foreigner her so finding out how to get the bloodwork done was a bit difficult.

Yes I do have bp-monitor also bloodsugar monitor.

No thoughts were given this was not done through a traditional doc visit. I found a private lab that did this, so nothing will go on medical record.

I'm waiting for estrogen, testosterone and free testosterone reading. That takes a bit more time. But I will get a email with it as soon as it's done and I will post it right away.

Greatly appreciated your assistance.

giardap's picture

Aren't the Swedes doing some sort of crazy profiling of bodybuilders and AAS users???
Think I read that on Gen Iron recently?

zhrg's picture

I have not heard of it but that would not surprise me. One thing about them is they sure like to document everything.

That's why I went through a private lab not doctor so it won't go on medical records

zhrg's picture

After talking to many yesterday, some begging I found some one to take bloods. Going in few minutes.
I will post lab results here and keep you posted.

Nothing in the protocol will be changed before results are in

DSTER's picture

Yes bloodwork, but u that. How's the prostate?

shiva4's picture

Go get bloods pulled and bring the results back. My guess is low estrogen.

DO NOT CHANGE DOSES, ADD COMPOUNDS OR REMOVE COMPOUNDS UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN BLOOD WORK.

I see way too many guys change shit before getting bloods pulled or after they have had bloods pulled but are waiting on results . ..

Makwa's picture

Not much else I can add here except to maybe shoot the woodchuck.

Manshit's picture

lose the arimidex unless you are getting sensitive nipples.That is common for not enough estrogen as well as too much.At .5 every other day there is no way you have too much.I would also agree you need bloods.

BootyGear's picture

Don't beat your meat for a week.

zhrg's picture

Hahaha no problem. But I will be taken cared for by the end of that time.

zhrg's picture

No worries, no emotional outbursts. And she is awesome and understanding.

KMC's picture

As everyone else told you high or low E,............ bloodwork is the key.

ETA: "it's not a tumor "(Arnold Schwarzenegger),............ are you sure ???

Bloodwork is the key.

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