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+ 3 Two weeks into my cruise

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Ran a mini bulking cycle with pharmacom's d Bol and a week in with GU test e. Started the cycle with another sources test e but didn't like it at all so had to switch back to my main. I was 170 when I started. Blew up to 190. And currently sitting steady at 183. I'm cruising right now at half a cc of GU test cyp a week. In three weeks will blast off again. Ha

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To everyone who has commented below, and to all who've given advice, thank you. I mean that. Irregardless,I believe your intentions are good. And I will look into everything suggested and most likely change what I had planned. I've learned the hard way before so if I can somehow avoid that here I'd like to. @Pmob you're a scholar and a gentleman. Thanks for helping me out. @IrishMack you're a legit dude. Thanks for the advice. And last but not least @sauron thanks for the tough love ;) jk and no homo. But thank you for your input as well. We're all here to learn and if nothing else this posting has been beneficial.

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roidville007's picture

run letro 2.5mg for 5-7 days and get rid of that before it gets worse. then go with aromasin or arimidex. if you try to fix it with aromasin or arimidex that'd would be useless right now. save yourself.

Pmob's picture

Let's see..... we'll no comments. They said enough below.

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Primo_Build's picture

Well shit if it is gyno i don't feel any of its symptoms or see any of them.

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Primo_Build's picture

No trt prescription from doc. My baseline test is 436.

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Pale's picture

Man, you don't get it. Either way that gyno looks painful. Many of us would give anything to be 29 and natty.

Primo_Build's picture

I don't have gyno? No sensitivity. No puffiness. Nothing. But thanks for the concern. In regard to being 29 and natty, I don't even really know how to respond. I don't want to be natty or on juice. I want to be a certain size and look and feel a certain way. I would imagine that's why everyone starts down this road.

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IrishMack's picture

That's called diet and training not drugs. If you can't maintain without aas then you are a Steroid junkie plain and simple. Self prescribed trt is only getting you gyno right now so hope the moobs will be worth it.

Primo_Build's picture

My diet is good. Don't feel like breaking it down here. But it's dialed in. Let me ask you, why do you take steroids? And what makes you not a junkie? Cause by definition, a junkie is a user. So please, spare me your shit.

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IrishMack's picture

Because I have a prescription for a real medical issue, spare me your shit.

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Look man I try real hard to be courteous and do what I can to help people here. Nothing you said helps me in anyway. So why say anything at all. I'm certainly open to constructive criticism but I'll be damned if it seems like this hasn't been an attack party. I see you "vets" doing it all the time. This board is supposed to be a community. But lately it's been more of a who's who club with the cool guys putting down the ones trying to find there way.

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Pmob's picture

Primo_Build,
I'm sorry you feel like it's an attack party. That is the last thing we want you to think. We are here to keep you safe and hopefully give our members good safe advice. We may be very blunt at times don't take it the wrong way we all been there and learned a lot of things in our days. You may feel that your being attacked but read through the lines. Your getting great advice. This post has been more helpful not only to you but other members that have stopped in and are reading. Relax take it all in and ask away. Don't get in a tuff guy contest. Just ask and learn and stay safe. Remember this will only benefit all of us. P

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Primo_Build's picture

Thanks bro. Real shit. That right there is what I'm talking about. I appreciate your offer of advice. So let me ask this in the open, what's wrong with blasting and cruising? Then pct an stay clean for some time, then blast and cruise again? Say blast and cruise for six months. Pct for six weeks. Stay clean for three months. Then blast and cruise again.

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Pmob's picture

There's a lot that's goes on during a cycle. You body hormones change. Getting blood work done is always the first thing you should do. How do you know what your levels are even before you start your first cycle without getting bloods? You may already have low T. That being said there's a big difference between a "cruise" and a "blast" and that all depends on Bloods. Who says PCT going to clean you up? How do you know after a blast your levels are going to clean up? You don't that's why it's so important to get bloods. Also you compounds have a lot to do with your blast and cruise. What are you taking how much how are you taking. I lot of guys just think Oooo I'm going to Juice but reallly don't do the home work. IrishMack hit it on the head "Genetics"

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Primo_Build's picture

I get bloods four times a year. And my plan was test and dbol, for four weeks, with a four week cruise, pinning half a cc test cyp, then blasting with a cc of deca at 300mg a week and 500mg test e a week for 14 weeks, caber at .5mg Monday Wednesday Friday, adex at .5 mg Eod then pct for six weeks, and after stay clean for three months, plan another run, and go from there

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Pmob's picture

We have a cycle log for this. ;-) if you want advice on cycles please post one up thin the cycle logs. I do believe there are many cycles like this in there also. Have a look in there see if one like this is in there than if you don't get your answers post your own up.

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IrishMack's picture

It doesnt matter if we ask you nicely or blast you til you get mad, you already know what you are doing is not smart at all. So why are you doing it? You are doing it because you "think" your test levels are not normal, so when a qualified doctor told you you are perfectly fine you said fuck him he is wrong. Then on top of that you only do it so you can maintain your weight. Honestly, how fkn stupid do you think we are? How can you help others if you cant even help yourself? This not no child left behind, you are reckless and what you do shows all the easily manipulated morons that its ok. Then we see a whole bunch of posts from people fucked up. Go get help for your addiction. Stop trying to justify.

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Ever heard of second opinions? Trust and believe. I can easily get a prescription for trt. Easily. Doesn't mean shit. Except one dr was open to it and one wasn't. Sorry to burst your bubble. And an addiction huh? I've had some. And this isn't one. But hey, let's agree to disagree. Thanks for your time bro.

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Pale's picture

29 years old, you are making decisions that you would have been wise to hold off on for another ten years. But it is obvious you have no intention of listening anyway and the damage is done..

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And that's where you're wrong bro. I have two ears. Two eyes and only one mouth. So I can watch and listen more then I talk. The problem is you guys weren't giving me anything but shit. Trying to put me down. If there's something wrong with anything I've proposed, why not say so in a constructive manner. You can say it's tough love all you want. But bro I've spent six years in prison. I know tough love. What this is isn't that. Every time I post something, it's a joke between me an my wife, because we just wait and anticipate what you are gonna come on here and say. Because we know it's coming. And that's not a lie. By all means I'm open to anything and everything helpful. Tell me so. Explain it to me. And I'll do my best to take what you've told me and I'll research it to the fullest extent of my capabilities......but all I've heard so far was that I'm a junkie. I've got tits. And it looks like I walk past a gym once or twice........that's not very much for me to learn from other then there are people here who never grew out of high school........that being said......I've done all I can to grow naturally. My diet for the past year has been super strict. I've forced myself to get into the habit of eating more then I ever thought possible. To the point where I would burp and throw up food in my mouth on a daily basis. Daily I consume 200g protein. 4000-5000 calories. 380-450 carbs. For the last two years I've ran only test cycles...until recently....I've tried to do everything the "right" way. But not everyone is the same. I simply wasn't growing. I wrestled all through Jr. High and high school and when I graduated I weighed 119 pounds. I was 140 pounds when I got into this world. And now I'm 180. I think that is pretty good progress. Maybe I've messed up somewhere. If so say something. But belittling me, saying I have tits, when I don't, that it looks like I "might" work out, when obviously I do, what's that man?......

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Pale's picture

You can say it's tough love all you want. But bro I've spent six years in prison. I know tough love

I don't think you will find that kind of love here..

Primo_Build's picture

Lmao. That was actually funny. I should've put no homo. But hey. Hahahaha.

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IrishMack's picture

OK, based on what you just said, then I have some bad news. Bodybuilding is not in your genetics. If you have tried everything to grow and eat and nothing works, then just give up. Its over. Time to look for a new hobby. Drugs will not overcome it. If you are looking for the truth I just gave it to you without insults. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I will be honest one more time, my older brother is a drunk, he drinks every day and hardly eats and smokes weed. His body is the same as yours. He does not work out, he does as little as possible exercise except lifting 12 ounces to his mouth.

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Martyn Ford. Look him up then come back and tell me how genetics out weighs science.

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IrishMack's picture

Judging by all your answers the truth is you do not want to learn and Im done. Your mind is made up. Good luck to you and good luck on your journey of self improvement. I was being nice believe it or not and I cant anymore so dont bother responding.

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Hobby? Or goal? There's a difference.

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IrishMack's picture

Maybe both. Heres a goal for you, stop aas, do an aggressive pct. Go see your pcp and tell him or her all the struggles you are having. He or she can run a battering of tests. 1st one we all know is its not related to low t. Maybe you have an overactive thyroid? Maybe you have a high metabolism? Maybe its not how much you are eating but when and how much? If you continue using aas you will never know. If you take a step back and start over again you WILL find the answer. You are short changing yourself if you look for the answer in a needle instead of your bodies internal mechanism. You can either do the above or just continue down your path. I promise you that one will be the right one and the other could destroy you. You are still young, you have muscle memory, if you have to step back you wont die or turn into a toothpick. Turn yourself around, we may be old fucks but we have experience.

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I've been to the doc about it as well. They basically told me I was a naturally small guy and there's nothing I can do. They ran the test. Which is how I found out about my thyroid being over active. I also found out I have alpha thalassemia. Which contributes to the thyroid issue. I've done the most I can to know my body before introducing aas. But what then? Accept being little when I want to grow? No. That's why we're all here. To learn how we can take something that's ultimately bad for us and illegal, and do it as scientifically as possible.

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IrishMack's picture

I understand your frustration but your doctor has given you the equivalent of telling a guy who is blind he can never see again. You are not a car that you can put a supercharger on and double the horsepower. You are trying to overcome your genetics and there is no way to do that, I think you know that and that is truly why you want to blast and cruise. The human body is a wonderdul thing and can overcome a lot of obstacles but your code cannot be re written. Get off the aas and try getting some hgh not generic shit either. HGH might help but go and get another physical and full blood panel before doing it. It might change your life or it might open your eyes because that might be your last chance. 3 months should be enough time to gauge any improvements.

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For sure man. And legitimately, thank you. For your advice and input. I know for a fact that you know more then I do in regard to these things. So I will look into everything you've suggested.

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Primo_Build's picture

You're right about a few things. I do have a fast metabolism. As well as an over active thyroid. For the thyroid, the doc told me to take vitamins. That it wasn't bad enough to prescribe meds

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zeb0312's picture

That's not low........far as needing trt..... Mine was half that when I got it checked years ago.....

Primo_Build's picture

My test levels are low. So want to stay in the optimal range I can

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436 is on the low end of the normal range for a person my age. My plan is to cruise and blast for 6 months. Then 3 months off. My goal is 200 pounds. But that's subject to change. I started at wanting to be 185. So we will see.

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robb's picture

You need saving from yourself, the above is some of the daftest, 6 month's cruise and blast then 3 month's off. I don't even know what that means, please don't try explain it either loll. You look like you may occasionally walk past a gym. Ffs do yourself a favour.

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Makwa's picture

Steroid junkie. Don't try to make sense of it because it makes no sense.

Primo_Build's picture

Thanks for your helpful comment. Means the world to me. Lmao.

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robb's picture

OK, being helpful I'd reconsider your decision with such a cycle. That any better?

The thing is, as hard as you may not believe this, we don't really want to see fuck themselves up, you could call it tough love.

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Primo_Build's picture

Well hey, that's a lot better. Haha. I'm gonna fr you. Maybe you can drop some knowledge on me.

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Pale's picture

In the words of Viking. BOOM!

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I know you guys really like me. Smile I like you too sir. No homo

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Pale's picture

LOL.. OK