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+ 4 IS YOUR DOMESTIC SOURCE BETTER THEN THE INTERNATIONALS

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I have ordered international a couple of times and always an issue with the order.Missing bottles..weeks and weeks of waiting.etc etc..then after email communication back and forth it does get sorted out..but a very pain staking issue when your ready for your gear.

Since all this chaos with international I have only been dealing with my domestic sources..

As of yet no issues at all.as a matter of fact 2 of my domestic sources ALWAYS also throw in some free gear..

Yes this is not going to pharma grade..but I believe quality UGL gear..I get my order on time with xtras..nothing missing..

CBBurrr's picture

I dont believe any of the steroids we get international are really "pharma"

Personally, I get oils domestic and orals and ancillaries from over seas.

--RP4U--'s picture

I also think it would be fair to mention that "counterfeit" isn't necessarily synonymous with "bunk" there are some pretty decent counterfeits out there as well

CBBurrr's picture

Yep, more of an over priced replica

BigThing's picture

I have to dissagree with you on this one. We had a member authenticate some pharma test with manufacturer not that long ago so you can get pharma. But you are definitely right about many fake "pharma" products being sold as well.

CBBurrr's picture

Who was the manufacturer?

BigThing's picture
CBBurrr's picture

Was murph ever able to confirm w/o a doubt that it was legit

pretty cool if it is the real thing, as it is very rare to have bayer on the black market.

99% of the time the word pharma is tossed around too freely.

BigThing's picture

I think it would be best if you asked him, but as I remember he got an email confirmation that it was real.

adobeast's picture

Whats the best domestic? Pog? Ifit?

robb's picture

Can't beat domestic for quick delivery. International sources have a wider range of products and the price's go down the more you buy. The quality is always great to.

Never had any issues like missing vials or anything similar, only great experiences both domestic and international.

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capo's picture

Used both but domestic UK usually means next day delivery which is worth paying a little extra for sometimes

BigThing's picture

Damn next day delivery sounds sweet

BigThing's picture

I use both. It is dificult to judge which one is safer. Dom are much faster but when they get caught it stresses me out that LE might get my info and if tou need pharma, it is very dificult yo find and prices are too high. With int I always worry about customs. I know that the bigger boys will reship but ti takes time and then there is a risk that the address will be flagged, sonin reality both come with risk. Overall I prefer intl for a huge inventory, pharma and prices. I was lucky enough to find some great dom sources with great oils and get it from them. Most of the time it depends on what I need. PCT is intl pharma only. I learned my lesson and go oharma only with pct now. If I only need fee items, most if the time I have to go with intl simply bc many do nit have minimum. If it's a large order I go dom most of the time as I am affraid that large oack will bring the unwanted attention and might bring some heat for ordering large quantities, although I have to admit that I placed multiple bulk intl orders due to amazing prices and so far never hav a problem so there is really no rule which one is better/safer. That's my opinion.

MAXIMUS666's picture

Well said but I get it that it would be difficult to know for sure one way or the other, so allow me to help explain a little bit since this is our arena.

Now I understand that as an international source this may come off a little biased, but I promise I am going to do my best to explain the best of both worlds (security-wise) so that everyone can make their own educated decision. Just to explain why we're qualified to give our opinion on this....we have been in business for a almost a decade and have gotten most of our packaging method ideas from two old friends/customers who happen to be customs agents in their respective countries...Australia (toughest customs in the world....easily) and the U.S. (MUCH easier customs than we're all brainwashed to believe).

With that said, here's some pros and cons for both sides. Ordering domestically is a no-brainer as you will not have to deal with customs, so the odds of your package going through heavy checks is slightly less than international. However, the penalties when you're dealing on domestic soil are way shittier than with international. They will try to use you to get to the bigger fish. Here's the thing, the authorities always want the bigger fish, not the little guy. However, when a transaction happens on domestic soil (their own backyard from beginning to finish) then it gives them much more leverage and ability to find the bigger fish. When dealing internationally, it is not financially viable for them to go after all the small guys ordering gear. They want the big guy but since the big guy is in another country, then again, it's not financially viable for them to deal with everything and everyone that they would have to in order to get to the big fish.

With that said...CAN they come after you ordering internationally? Yes. Will they though for small to average orders of gear? Highly unlikely and in a decade (this is gonna sound like a plug but it's not) we have never had a seizure in the states, but we also have never even HEARD of anyone getting popped for their first small/average sized package of gear. Don't be stupid, do not order huge amounts of gear that your source is going to try to send in one package. If your source knows what they're doing, they'll split it up to for your safety. No "distribution' charges if the package that gets seized is too small.

Will they come after you if they find shit domestically? Again, yes they can. Will they? That depends on if they even find it in the first place as we already know the inspection aspect is lower, BUT, if they do, then domestically, you stand a much bigger chance of that knock on the door for small amounts of gear than from an international package.

I hope this helps clear up some questions but if you have other questions then lay them out here, but if they're more specific then pm us.

Good luck

MAXIMUS666's picture

We look at it this way...customers are no good to anyone in jail! lol Joking aside, nobody wants to see anyone do any time for this kind of shit

johnnyoldboy's picture

I always order internationally and have never had an issue other than having to wait a couple weeks which of course can suck if you're anxious to get going. The sources I have ordered from offer express shipping but it costs a lot more. But at the end of the day, I LOVE how that good pharma stuff works for me. The results are always well above par and I've noticed that side effects tend to be far less apparent with me. I know everyone is different so maybe it was just certain brands and how they affect me, but I"m hooked on the pharma grade stuff and I got no problem with waiting a few extra days or even weeks.

RickRock1086's picture

Naw... I stick with International, US domestic is too expensive, don't have really good promos & just about all of them have bad PIP & usually they come & go for whatever reason.

shiva4's picture

yeah, you make a great point. the most memorable domestic for me was M. he seemed like a good dude and was very active on the site. it was a sad day when he fell.

Jq5000's picture

Anybody got advice for dom src cause I don't wanna wait two weeks lol

Machinegunmac's picture

International is definitely more correctly dosed in my opinion, I've had more pip with domestic (in all pins not just bad technique) but there are some top notch domestic that are on point and just as good .

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SenseiMiagi's picture

My anxiety gets to me with international. I like pharma stuff, and use international for some items but always prefer domestic. I like to think the Doms I use are top shit, but unfortunate things happen all the time. Im confident in my current stash and supplier.

zeb0312's picture

I have used only a couple of international sources and they have been no issues, but then again the big issue is customs, you never know when there going to pull a random pack to check.....

On the other hand lot of people like domestic just for that reason as well...

Seems alot of the domestic sources are upping there game now of days,but still never know when o e day here next day gone on any source.

Research Research Research as always.

zeb0312's picture

Yea I'm just saying you never know bro is all...

Anything could happen and I have seen some of it...

PPGfreak's picture

I go both ways (no homo)

I prefer overseas prices and even quality with some sources. But of course shipping cost triple and can take 2-4 weeks. Domestic shipping is cheaper and I have it in 3 days from my preferd source.

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zeb0312's picture

Dam good to see a no homo on that one.....lol......

PPGfreak's picture

Well I typed it out and they looked it over and thought "hold on ill get a neg for that" lol

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zeb0312's picture

Na no neg just we would bust your balls. :-)

PPGfreak's picture

Lol I would have deserved it.

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zeb0312's picture

lol

The Impastable's picture

I've done both, only had an issue once and it was resolved. As always, do your research before ordering. Good sources will always make good on the order, their reputation depends on it.

The Impastable's picture

It was resolved within a week. Again, I did my homework beforehand so I knew who i was dealing with.