posted Sun, 08/07/2016 - 15:42
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+ 1 Is the hype about primo putting on mass true??
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So I have been reading a lot on primo and this whole mass gaining that everyone saying there doing. The times I did primo it was was for a cut for a show. But now everyone is saying that you can put on crazy size on high mg long cycles. What do you guys think I don't think it's true but I would love some feed back.
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Primo is slow ,real primo is also expensive.so it's seldom used.but it is very user friendly,minimal sides.
Only problem I have is injecting 100mg/ml that's a lot of oil per week .600-800mg/wk is optimal for me.
The pip from primo is like test prop.you feel like a pin cushion for 8-12wks.
But yeah, if real ,it's great stuff. Try to track down 200mg/ml would be a great option but I have never seen it.
Cheer bud.
PRIMO typically gives lean mass gains but that depends on how your eating as well.
Anyone who puts on "crazy mass" using primo isn't using primo. Their source probably sold them vials of test "incorrectly labelled by mistake".
bigmurphI have see a couple of members run 20wk primo cycles most look like this
1-20 250mgs-500mgs test e or c
1-20 600mgs-800mgs primobolan
One of the cycles I saw like this did end with 6wks of var. They all had solid transformations but none gained major mass. I have been thinking a lot about running primo. Im stuck on the part that I like to bulk not just shape my physique. So I don't want to spend all that money to run atleast 600mgs a wk to just get really cut up.
I believe that you can get a really good cycle out of it and make good gains you just have to eat 300-400g of protein ed. If you can pack that down and really hit the weights hard also you are going to be starting with low bf%. Then sure I think if you run a primobolan cycle you will be happy with the results.
If not use eq its the cheaper version in my mind they both turn into dhb and work almost the same way with slow and steady gains that you keep in the end.
Massive gains from primobolan I've never seen only great long term progress.
Massive gains primo? For me its one of the best cycles purely for lean LEAN mass that you can hold onto. My favourite compound next to Test obvs lol.
Eq converts to dhb at a very low rate, and I'm pretty sure primo doesn't convert to dhb at all. I see some debate on whether primo is dht or dhb derived but I think boldenone is the only steroid that mildly converts to dihydroboldenone which kinda makes sense.
I would still lean towards primo being a dht derivative even though it doesn't convert to dht or estrogen
bigmurphIts actually dht derived but does convert to dhb.
If you Google search primobolan it will tell you about how it converts to dhb. Its a really weird thing but its true. I think that's as far as the similarities go besides being able to run for long cycles.
Me and another member had this debate a couple of months ago about how a dht derived compound turns into dhb. I've been researching primobolan hard trying to decide whether to run it or if it would be a waste of my money thats how I keep reading about the dhb conversion. Im still not really sure why it converts to dhb and not dht I still have yet to read anything that explains it.
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This is a quote from the summary of primobolan
Methenolone is a DHT-based steroid (actually, DHB or dihydroboldenone, the 5-alpha reduced of the milder boldenon). Meaning when it interacts with the aromatase enzyme it does not form estrogens at all.(estrogen is what causes unwanted sides). But unlike deca you do not have to worry about progesterone problems (like bitch tits) either, so now you have the best of both worlds!
I hate to cut and paste but reference is primobolan summary
Rustyhooker^^^^that was our discussion on dhb. Much appreciated!
Well, it can't. Primo is a dhb derivative - a boldenone compound, not a dht compound. I haven't thought about this in a long time, but, yeah, I remember there is some confusion about this.
Prolly forgot about the confusion because the primo push and re-marketing hype is only a couple of years old. Till recently primo was effectively a dead compound, an antique from the 1970s that no one used anymore (at least not the men, anyways) LOL
It may have been declared dead but it really isn't. If you can afford it it is in my opinion a pretty amazing oil. Sure it would be nice if you didn't need to pin it as often or as much but I guess that is the trade off. It does offer side effect free results whether you are bulking or cutting. Diet will be reflected while using it, basically like any other AAS we use.
No one preps on it anymore bro. As a competition chemical, its use is all but gone. At least in men's bodybuilding. If the physique guys and such are still using it, I honestly wouldn't know. Like I said below, it offers a unique finish that is recognizable and distinct and is certainly nice looking. If you really like that look, then it's certainly worth it. Even if you eat for it, it never was a hardcore mass gaining compound even in the Schwarzenegger era. Deca was used for that, even then.
Yea, and I am not speaking from a professional standpoint. I will agree with you there are certainly better ways to go for the stage. But I will add, for us over 40 guys that train hard and are into looking and feeling great it is a great compound for our particular subset.
RustyhookerIf I get down to 10%, I'd give it a try. Then I can visually appreciate it.
Until then, mast eq and nor will be the varied staples. One thing noteworthy is everyone reacts differently, so my staples may not be others.
Mast, eq and Nor will be much harder on you along the way. But suit yourself bro, all I can do is share with you what I know. I have not ran EQ but I can say I don't believe any anabolic I have used has given me the honest, clean strength gains I have experienced with primo either. That said I am officially off it now for awhile.
RustyhookerDamn....just when I backburner the primo run idea, you get the fires flowing. Lol. I should just start buying a chunk at a time.
Darth has a point bro. Outside of plain Test which always feels great, there are few compounds that feel good on cycle. Primo does feel good and it doesn't stress the body much. I can't say it's "healthy" but as far as roids go it's probably as close as you are gonna get outside just Test.
And, it does look nice. It's worth a try.
RustyhookerIf I get lean enough to justify it....bingo. Currently I'll be bulking til 220.
220 bulk? At your height? Nice and big bro. Way to go. Cutting from that you should be massive.
RustyhookerGoing to try for it. My bone structure is small and 210 is a bit of a chore. Hard cut though from that point will be a lifetime goal.
I'll have to look into it more, seems odd to me but I'll finger it out
Hotbody29No way it's nothing but ppl talking primo has been one of those compounds that's got nothing but hype behind it.
No. Utter and complete bull shit.
JoneDoeI just can't see primo doing it I cant.
It's a cut drug with an interesting finish all its own - some call it "metallic" maybe even like porcelain - I dunno - I've used it and it's a nice look but crazy mass - not a fucking chance. You know who "everyone" is that's saying high mg long cycles - the labs
I can recognize it when I see it - I don't see anybody on stage prepped on primo nowadays.
bigmurphCurious question do you believe that eq is just as good as primo. Im assuming you have ran both before im not sure but I figured I would ask because my next cycle I would like to run primo but bold cyp is looking good.
Bold compounds and primo are used for different things bro.
Bold esters are used for mass gains. They tend to be nice and dry and slower than what you would get from say deca but can produce some nice vascularity as an added benefit if you run them all the way out. And, they also will give you the munchies which is nice if you are trying to gain weight ! The pain in the ass issue with boldenone is its tendency to elevate BP, jack your RBC/hematocrit turning your blood into a syrupy goo setting the stage for clots, strokes, blah blah. So you gotta watch your bloods and donate blood as your hematocrit rises.
Primo is a cut drug. It has a remarkable ability to manage protein synthesis on a severely calorie restricted diet - preserving mass like a charm and maybe even setting the stage for a very small gain in lean tissue in a caloric deficit. I don't know how that is possible but I have experienced it. Maybe just an illusion.
This is exactly what happened to me. With my last primo run I did notice a slight gain in lbm while cutting. I was 500-750 below my TDEE and after about 7 wks or so I actually gained about 3.5lbs of lbm while dropping fat. Second half of cycle where cal restriction became more and cardio increased, the lbm gains stopped but it was doing a real good job of preserving my lbm while in a severe cal deficit coupled with intense training and cardio. I was really impressed with it in that regard.
That slight bump in lbm while still calorie restricted had me curious to what type of lbm gains I could get from primo if I was in a cal surplus. I think the gains would be respectable, but massive gains, I doubt it. They would be keepable gains that is for sure. If you are looking for lbm gains though, I would go with a different compound than primo. The price is outrageous and the amount of pinning you need to do is also outrageous. Nearly ED pins for 20wks makes for a very laborious cycle. You can easily match the gains and likely exceed them with other compounds that are cheaper and require much less pinning. Stick with primo for cutting only. That is where it stands out from other compounds and can't be replicated.
This is a gem here Makwa!
bigmurphNo its true primo does produce muscle even when on a deficienct diet. Atleast thats what I've been reading everywhere doing my research.
Im thinking that bold cyp fits me better because of price and goals. I was really thinking about using primo but the outcome just doesn't seem to fit the cost.
Murph, my friend, everyone wants to do at least one primo run to experience it. With all the hype, it's hard not to get sucked into it. No fault in that bro.
So, save your shekels and do a primo cut. Get your body fat down to 10% or below before you start - if you can get it down to 9% even better. You really want to see it - crank it up bro - 800 mg - 1,000 mg a week - and cut, cut, cut. Take yourself down as low as you can go.
You will like the results. The look is a little different than Test Tren Mast HGH etc. Get it out of your system and run it ! I doubt you will spend the money again.
bigmurphI was going to go with 800 mg but after all my reading its exactly like this post says its just hype and money. I've seen 3 guys run it and yes they got great transformations out of it but if I run just test for 20wk I could have a great transformation to.
I think I might skip it but then again I might pull the trigger and end up buying it and running it next time around. Its between hgh and primo both have hype behind them but hgh is seemingly more worth the bang for your buck.
Still undecided I don't know i have awhile to figure it out. Lol
Bro, it's just not a popular compound any more. If it were so dang special guys would spend the money and run it. It just is not that big a deal. Honestly.
I can't help but think that the price is what really killed its popularity. That, and the fucking pip. I hated it.
bigmurphI agree you are right the hype definitely has me.