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long cycle, "recomp" "bulk then cut" Debate

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I'm not running this cycle. If I do or anyone else gets the idea to do so, keep in mind this would be a cycle more toward the advanced end, and I'm on TRT so I don't give a shit about my own HPTA. I'm more so posting this up for the debate aspect, as I find it pretty interesting.

This is just a thought that's been going on in my head. There's been the ongoing debate that there is/isn't a such thing as a "recomp cycle" or that you can/can't bulk and cut in one cycle. My thought here is that could be long enough to put on some water, put on some mass/muscle/fat and have enough time to burn fat and lose a good amount of water while retaining a good amount of muscle.

Starting with test base with sustanon, adding nandrolone in the deca and phenylprop esters to almost 'match' the esters of the sust. The test:nandrolone ratio is more than 2:1, especially if on trt maybe closer to 3:1. As eq must be ran for a long cycle and adding the hunger effect, I feel it's a good add for the bulk. Dropping the deca, npp, and sust and switching to prop for a few weeks will ween out that one 19-nor, then drop the test prop and bring in the cut blend of test prop, mast prop and tren ace in conjunction with the eq could tighten up the physique well.

While running the sust, nandrolone, eq together of course a bulking diet should be in effect. Perhaps a dirty diet the first 8-10 weeks, then clean it up for a weeks, then over a few weeks into the cut blend change it up to a clean cutting diet.

I don't have the money, time or honestly, the dedication, to get into anything like this. I know it'll be asked so I will say I have experience with everything on here except the tren. I've been on eroids for almost 5 years and on roids for almost just as long. Currently on sust, deca, npp ( just started ). and proviron, of course. Again, I have no plans on running this, just enjoy the debate. Of course ai's and anti prolactin should be on hand.

Weekly Breakdown;

Equipoise; 750mg

test decanoate; 300mg
test isocaproate; 180mg
test pp; 180
test prop; 90

nandrolone decanoate; 150mg
nandrolone phenylprop; 300mg

(long ester test 480mg: long ester nandrolone 150mg) (3.2:1)
(short ester test 270mg: short ester nan 300mg) (.9:1)
(final ratio 2.05:1)
Then 50mg test prop/ day;
Then 25 mg test prop/ day
25 mg mast prop
25 mg tren ace

Or perhaps 1mL of the cutblend EOD. Not sure which would be better/ more effective / eod is obviously more simple. Or is this dose too low all together? I've seen proposed cycles at 1mL per day instead. Is 8 weeks too long? Maybe 6 is just as effective?

WeekSustanon 250DecaDura300NPP 100Test Prop100CutBlend505050Equipoise 250
11mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
21mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
31mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
41mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
51mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
61mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
71mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
81mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
91mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
101mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
111mL 3xWk.25mL 2xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
121mL 3xWk.5mL 3xWk1mL 3xWk
13.5mL ED1mL 3xWk
14.5mL ED1mL 3xWk
15.5mL ED1mL 3xWk
16.5mL ED1mL 3xWk
17.5mL ED1mL 3xWk
18.5mL ED1mL 3xWk
19.5mL ED1mL 3xWk
20.5mL ED1mL 3xWk
21.5mL ED
22.5mL ED
23.5mL ED
jimmie's picture

I don't see 3 19-nors. Nandrolone with 2 different esters attached to them is still just one 19-nor. I like sust, the idea I posted is kinda matching the shorts and longs of deca and npp with the esters in the sust. Why wait weeks for the nandrolone to kick in? As with a test prop kick or using sust, it'll start working sooner. I do use adex and have prami on hand. I'll add that.

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jimmie's picture

I think people are missing the point. I'm not running this. If I ever run anything close to this long or this many compounds, it would be years away. I just like the debate of can a bulk and cut be ran in one cycle.

I still only see 2 19-nors. I realize there's tren in the cut stack. Nandrolone and trenbolone. That's two. Changing the ester on the nandrolone doesn't make it another 19-nor.

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kh1216's picture

Lol everyone is missing the point entirely. I like the debate bro and pros tend to bulk then cut on cycle before a comp all the time. Granted it would be a bit difficult for the average person with less perfect genetics but that's not saying it couldn't be done, just probably isn't the most efficient route to take.

Good lord on that 3 19-nor thing. The only way to even get three of them is if you brought in trestolone. When the ester is cleaved you get base nandrolone regardless lol. I commend your patience and civility with all this unwarranted bashing coming your way for sparking a conversation. FR sent

Catalyst's picture

Debate is definitely a good one, but posting a log up in this fashion probably isn't the best way to do it. If it's a debate, why do we need a specific cycle laid out like this filled with detail, doses etc? This isn't a hardcore BB'ing site and as time goes on it drifts further away from that category in my experience where probably 90%+ have no interest in competing. Not sure a log of such a type is therefore appropriate.

jimmie's picture

There's already threads on the debate. I've read through them. I thought it might be interesting to visualize a cycle on the side of "it can be done" and see what others would think about it. Instead I'm getting "why do you think that"....

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tonytulo's picture

Exactly cat.

kh1216's picture

I agree completely that the cycle is overkill for everyone not competing and the format isn't the best. Probably would've been good to see it up in the general talk section without the accompanying compounds and doses. I was just interested in seeing more ideas about the topic, especially from more experienced members like yourself and didn't wish the idea to get lost in the uproar over the cycle

Gymjunkie01's picture

not bashing you so please don't take it this way.. but this is a mess you don't bulk and cut in the same cycle.. you dosages and time line are all wrong .. I have said this a million times YOU BULK OR CUT you don't do both, so pick one and dedicate yourself to it you will have a better cycle and results

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jimmie's picture

This is the point of the post! We've got your side lol

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