long cycle, "recomp" "bulk then cut" Debate
I'm not running this cycle. If I do or anyone else gets the idea to do so, keep in mind this would be a cycle more toward the advanced end, and I'm on TRT so I don't give a shit about my own HPTA. I'm more so posting this up for the debate aspect, as I find it pretty interesting.
This is just a thought that's been going on in my head. There's been the ongoing debate that there is/isn't a such thing as a "recomp cycle" or that you can/can't bulk and cut in one cycle. My thought here is that could be long enough to put on some water, put on some mass/muscle/fat and have enough time to burn fat and lose a good amount of water while retaining a good amount of muscle.
Starting with test base with sustanon, adding nandrolone in the deca and phenylprop esters to almost 'match' the esters of the sust. The test:nandrolone ratio is more than 2:1, especially if on trt maybe closer to 3:1. As eq must be ran for a long cycle and adding the hunger effect, I feel it's a good add for the bulk. Dropping the deca, npp, and sust and switching to prop for a few weeks will ween out that one 19-nor, then drop the test prop and bring in the cut blend of test prop, mast prop and tren ace in conjunction with the eq could tighten up the physique well.
While running the sust, nandrolone, eq together of course a bulking diet should be in effect. Perhaps a dirty diet the first 8-10 weeks, then clean it up for a weeks, then over a few weeks into the cut blend change it up to a clean cutting diet.
I don't have the money, time or honestly, the dedication, to get into anything like this. I know it'll be asked so I will say I have experience with everything on here except the tren. I've been on eroids for almost 5 years and on roids for almost just as long. Currently on sust, deca, npp ( just started ). and proviron, of course. Again, I have no plans on running this, just enjoy the debate. Of course ai's and anti prolactin should be on hand.
Weekly Breakdown;
Equipoise; 750mg
test decanoate; 300mg
test isocaproate; 180mg
test pp; 180
test prop; 90
nandrolone decanoate; 150mg
nandrolone phenylprop; 300mg
(long ester test 480mg: long ester nandrolone 150mg) (3.2:1)
(short ester test 270mg: short ester nan 300mg) (.9:1)
(final ratio 2.05:1)
Then 50mg test prop/ day;
Then 25 mg test prop/ day
25 mg mast prop
25 mg tren ace
Or perhaps 1mL of the cutblend EOD. Not sure which would be better/ more effective / eod is obviously more simple. Or is this dose too low all together? I've seen proposed cycles at 1mL per day instead. Is 8 weeks too long? Maybe 6 is just as effective?
| Week | Sustanon 250 | DecaDura300 | NPP 100 | Test Prop100 | CutBlend505050 | Equipoise 250 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 2 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 3 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 4 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 5 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 6 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 7 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 8 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 9 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 10 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 11 | 1mL 3xWk | .25mL 2xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | ||
| 12 | 1mL 3xWk | .5mL 3xWk | 1mL 3xWk | |||
| 13 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
| 14 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
| 15 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
| 16 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
| 17 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
| 18 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
| 19 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
| 20 | .5mL ED | 1mL 3xWk | ||||
| 21 | .5mL ED | |||||
| 22 | .5mL ED | |||||
| 23 | .5mL ED |
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bigmurphYou are right gearhead is going to love this one.
bigmurphNever even if you are not worried about your hpta 3 nor 19 is crazy and a waste of money forget the cut mix and use either npp or decca.
Sense you would want to run long at 20wk I would run the eq the sust but would prefer a test c or e because less pins. Drop the prop unless thats your kick start or taper but you don't need either.
I don't see an ai do you just use the Proviron to control estrogen also any caber or prami bromo for progesterone.
Just curious even with the real cycle you're running both decca and npp why do you stop the npp and then just rely on the decca or do you run both the whole cycle.
By the way I like these types of discussions but you're crazy brother please don't run all this gear i know that you say you're not going to but if you put this together you have thought about it. Lol
If you did you better stock up on alot of pins.
I don't see 3 19-nors. Nandrolone with 2 different esters attached to them is still just one 19-nor. I like sust, the idea I posted is kinda matching the shorts and longs of deca and npp with the esters in the sust. Why wait weeks for the nandrolone to kick in? As with a test prop kick or using sust, it'll start working sooner. I do use adex and have prami on hand. I'll add that.
bigmurphThere is tren in the cut mix brother and pinning decca tren and npp is 3 nor 19 compounds.
Don't add anything don't ever run this i had a feeling even though you said you weren't going to you had an idea to.
This is a terrible idea
I think people are missing the point. I'm not running this. If I ever run anything close to this long or this many compounds, it would be years away. I just like the debate of can a bulk and cut be ran in one cycle.
I still only see 2 19-nors. I realize there's tren in the cut stack. Nandrolone and trenbolone. That's two. Changing the ester on the nandrolone doesn't make it another 19-nor.
Lol everyone is missing the point entirely. I like the debate bro and pros tend to bulk then cut on cycle before a comp all the time. Granted it would be a bit difficult for the average person with less perfect genetics but that's not saying it couldn't be done, just probably isn't the most efficient route to take.
Good lord on that 3 19-nor thing. The only way to even get three of them is if you brought in trestolone. When the ester is cleaved you get base nandrolone regardless lol. I commend your patience and civility with all this unwarranted bashing coming your way for sparking a conversation. FR sent
Debate is definitely a good one, but posting a log up in this fashion probably isn't the best way to do it. If it's a debate, why do we need a specific cycle laid out like this filled with detail, doses etc? This isn't a hardcore BB'ing site and as time goes on it drifts further away from that category in my experience where probably 90%+ have no interest in competing. Not sure a log of such a type is therefore appropriate.
There's already threads on the debate. I've read through them. I thought it might be interesting to visualize a cycle on the side of "it can be done" and see what others would think about it. Instead I'm getting "why do you think that"....
Exactly cat.
I agree completely that the cycle is overkill for everyone not competing and the format isn't the best. Probably would've been good to see it up in the general talk section without the accompanying compounds and doses. I was just interested in seeing more ideas about the topic, especially from more experienced members like yourself and didn't wish the idea to get lost in the uproar over the cycle
not bashing you so please don't take it this way.. but this is a mess you don't bulk and cut in the same cycle.. you dosages and time line are all wrong .. I have said this a million times YOU BULK OR CUT you don't do both, so pick one and dedicate yourself to it you will have a better cycle and results
This is the point of the post! We've got your side lol