HCG in Blast and Cruise
I've been researching for weeks on this and it seems like everything I read about it has conflicting info. To give my background... I'm 32, I got a script for TRT a year ago which gave me a good excuse to start my first cycle (had wanted to for years). I've done 2 blasts in that time and run on a cruise in between, I'm getting my next blast planned out and got some hcg for the first time while I'm at it. I plan on coming off completely every year or two and running a power PCT... may be a dumb idea but I'd like kick to natural production in as much as possible every once in a while, hopefully to keep the possibilities of another kid on the table. My purpose of runnning HCG is to grow the boys back to size, hopefully keep them working as much as possible... and plastering my wife in huge loads would be nice.
Some say running hcg too long will desensitize leydig cells, others says that its a fallacy, most people I know dont even run HCG... my plan is to run it at 250IU twice/week for 2-3 months then take a break for a month or so. I'd like feedback from those here that know more about HCG. Should I front load it? Should I run it indefinitely while on cycle? should I run it less time and longer breaks to keep sensitivity up?
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Waste of a drug. You have no natty bro if you really are a TRT guy. Or better put what natty you do have is not enough. Don't worry about it. If you really want kids hcg won't do it alone anyway and again it's a waste of a drug. At this point it is purely cosmetic and id say embrace your TRT. Big balls are only good for slapping the lady when you're rocking it from behind. And we all know that can hurt if you're really going hard.
Thanks man, I appreciate the input. I'm thinking you guys are right the more I read, the HCG may be worthless during blast and cruise as far as preserving future function. If I end up wanting another kid in the future I'll look into doing everything I can at that point to get the boys firing again.
One question I do still have... I've read of a few people that say they end up shooting huge loads off HCG and it makes more intense orgasms because of it. Is this true (I'm guessing it's probably on a person by person basis?)? If this is the case, It seems it would be worth it to plumb the balls every once in a while?
Here is my experience with trt/hcg, for what it is worth. I was diagnosed with "low t", and prescribed the following:
200ml of test C/week
500IU twice a week(1000IU/week total)...500IU two days before T injection, and 500IU one day prior to T injection
.5mg Anastrozole the day of T injection, and .5mg Anastrozole 2 days after T injection
I followed this protocol for about 10 weeks, and after learning more about these drugs here on this forum, I discontinued both the Anastrozole and the HCG. I have yet to experience any problematic estrogen-related sides, and didn't like the potential impact that AI's can have on lipid profiles. I also haven't had any noticeable issues with testicular shrinkage, and at 37 years old, I have no interest in more children. In my situation, the hcg protocol seemed wasteful at best and potentially harmful at worst.
Of course, I realize that any of these and other sides can, and likely will occur at some point, so I keep hcg, Anastrozole, Nolva, Cialis, Exemestane, and Clomid on hand. I also want to be prepared if/when I decide to perform PCT.
I can understand the appeal of hcg, and have also noticed the conflicting opinions on the matter. My best suggestion is to keep digging, and to listen to the feedback of vets on this board like Rusty, so that you can make an informed decision for yourself.
This place really is a fantastic resource for virtually everything related to fitness. I came here looking to learn about AAS, and have ended up discovering just as much about diet, exercise, pct, and many other aspects of this lifestyle. I literally learn something useful every time I visit the site.
Good luck!
Thanks for the info! I started my first cycle about a year ago, I added to the TRT for the first cycle, did a PCT and decided to blast and cruise after my second cycle. (currently cruising after second cycle, figuring out third blast). I keep all necessary support on hand as well just in case I have to PCT. I've had pretty bad shrinkage in that time (I'm a little surprised you havent had it at all), which is really just something cosmetic but it would be nice to plump them back up as long as there is a safe method for doing it. I have 1.5 kids already (one due in 2 months), so will be content if I absolutely cant have more, but would like to keep the option open if possible.
I've noticed Rusty is one of the Vets on here, he's the kind of guy I'm really looking for feedback with this (didn't mean for it to turn into a pissing match), I want to hear from those like him that actually know what their talking about on the subject. So far the most notable method I've found is that Crislers protocol (it seems most everything else is broscience or speculation) which makes me a bit nervous running HCG indefinitely, which is why I'm wondering if the veterans have figured out better ways.
Hey no problem. I don't have a ton of experience to share, but your topic is something I have dealt with a little.
You are a few years younger than me, and have more experience with AAS, but it sounds like you are about where I may be in the next couple of years. I have nevery run a cycle, but am trying to prepare myself physically and with information. There is an awful lot to know!
This site has prevented me from jumping blindly into the AAS world, and I am thankful for it. I know I need to build a better physical base, dial in my diet, and learn more before moving beyond my trt. But I do plan on taking the plunge soon, and I will start with the basic test only cycle that is constantly recommended here.
Yeah, I guess I have been lucky so far with the lack of testicular atrophy, but I expect to experience it before too long, along with other sides that I read about. And I won't be scared to use hcg sparingly if necessary, but I have read enough to keep me away from using it indefinitely.
Anyway, good luck with your cycles, and congratulations on the new baby you have coming!
RustyhookerWell written!
Thanks brother. And thank you for all your contributions!
RustyhookerYour hcg plan is not good. Trt dudes hit 250iu intermittantly to puff up the flat balls. Cosmetic.
Sounds like you're not really on trt with your frame of thinking. Research more
I've read a lot that disagree with you about it being cosmetic, this one for example: http://tau.amegroups.com/article/view/2249/3145%29. There's also lots of people that have used HCG after prolonged AAS use for the reason of keeping the boys working.
The Crisler protocol is the main method I've found from guys on TRT and they are not running it intermittently, it's 250IU twice/week dosed on the two days before the weekly test shot. As I mentioned, theres TONS of conflicting info on this (your response is more evidence of this). Those that follow this Crisler protocol are generally of the opinion that there is no desensitization of the Leydig cells so there is no reason to stop taking it... my thinking is why chance it? I like the idea of running it intermittently to hopefully avoid that problem if it exists (sounds like we may agree on this?)
More specifics of what you dont like about my plan would be helpful.
I realize TRT means you never PCT... I didnt mean for this to become the topic of the post. I've read of a lot of people that still run PCT every once in a while while on TRT to keep natural production up at least a little. My doc put me on TRT when my bloodwork showed borderline low test, but honestly I dont have much faith in his knowledge on the subject... he prescribed my dosing at one shot every other week for test cyp. The fact that I had low test gave me an excuse to start cycling, but I would still like my natural production to be as high as possible which is why I've thought of coming off a blast and cruise every once in while.
RustyhookerI understand hcg and hmb as a possible "fix" for juicers to make babies. I dud post a forum on it.
Apparently you have all the answers. So why did you post? Whats your dr giving as a trt dose?
Is this the forum you're talking about: https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/roidheads-wanting-to-m...? I haven't run across that one yet but will be reading it now.
You're taking my reply out of context, I'm in no means saying I have all the answers (hence posting the questions in the first place). You told me to research more... I mentioned initially that I've been researching for weeks, that response is trying to show you that I'm not coming into this blindly. The more I read about the topic the more I find how many varying opinions there are on it. I'd love some constructive feedback on this. (your initial post wasn't exactly helpful... basically: the plans bad do research)
I was prescribed 200mg every other week. That was based solely on my test being low, no other work were done to determine the reason or anything. Honestly I was just happy to get started on some test, I had wanted to start for a long time (I've lifted seriously for years). The more I read after I got the prescription the more I realized that doctor is pretty clueless with hormones... which I think is pretty much the norm with doctors.
To be clear, there are two things I'm not sure about:
1-Is it worth the effort to try to keep my natural production running as much as possible or am I better off just running TRT straight until I decide to have another kid? At which point I try to get the boys firing again.
2-What's the best use of HCG while blasting and cruising? (Run it at 250 twice/week indefinitely? Cycle it to attempt to maintain leydig cell sensitivity? Some combination? Or forget about it altogether?)
RustyhookerAgree that the Dr's are often times in the dark. Mist guys take that 200 and run 100 per week for less fluctuations.
Cruise is exactly that. A spot where your body can get back to normal. Cholesterol, rbc, etc etc. The whole system gets hit.
Trying the hcg if completely off trt and cycle would be up to you really. Bloodwork will prove the results and be clear on its effect.
On cruise, I'd not try it except to puff up the nads. Just a thought with reasoning up above.
That's what I've done with the cruise, split up the dose for more stable levels.
Appreciate the advice!