Have a few questions about my 2nd cycle
Hey guys, this is my first post here but I've spent countless hours reading through this place the last couple months.
I'm 23, 5'8 and about 172lbs. Unfortunately for me, I don't have the greatest genetics. Every male in my family is a scrawny twig lol. I've been working out since I was about 18-19 and while my strength has been increasing steadily it's been extremely challenging for me to put on weight until I started AAS. My first cycle was last year. I ran Test E at 600mg/w for 12 weeks and Kickstarted with anadrol at 50mg for the first four weeks. I made some great gains and strength increases. I experienced a few sides such as back acne, sore nipples, etc but nothing too serious. Perhaps the worst side was from the Anadrol because it completely killed my appetite making it nearly impossible to intake enough calories.
I've been off since about late August and am planning on starting a pre-summer bulk cycle within the next few weeks. What I have in mind is:
Test E 500mg 1-10
Deca 250-300mg 1-8
Dbol 30-50mg 1-4
Now I've read that the standard rule of thumb is twice as much test as deca. However wouldn't 250 deca be a little low? I was thinking about bumping it 300mg, would that be fine with 500mg of test?
Also, the Dbol dosage is something else I'm still playing with and looking for advice on. Like I said, 50mg of Anadrol killed my appetite. I've read that the appetite suppression is more common with anadrol than dbol, but still a common occourance with dbol. My goal is to bulk as much as possible so appetite suppression isn't something I can have. On another post somebody suggested that the reason the poster's appetite was suppressed because he didn't drink enough water which raised his bp and killed his appetite. So if I drink enough water should I be alright?
Finally, for my first cycle since it was test only I did not have an ai on hand. I know that with deca and dbol I absolutely will need one. I was going to go with the standard adex but what should I dose it at? Also, for my last cycle I ran clomid/nolva as a pct but I heard that nolva may not react well with deca and cause an "estrogen rebound" effect. Is this true? If so what should I substitute in place of the nolva. I'll need caber too for prolactin sides right?
Thank you guys for reading I appreciate all suggestions/criticisms
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RustyhookerI would go to general forum and post full diet on catalysts food forum in the top "stickie" section.
Post your routine here, folks can tweak that to spark off growth.
Hey, bro. If youre 25 don't we can't give advice. Also when someone should change a post, DON'T reply to it or they can't edit it.
Some forgot this...
Dude you're 23 years old man.... this is the peak of your natural production don't ruin it like myself and countless others did. I did damn near the same cycle you did only at age 20 150 anadrol a day and 750 sust a week and I completely destroyed my bodym I have not been right ever since. 172 at 5 foot 8 is thin man you could easily put on 18 more pounds with a hard diet and regular training....
This is where I'll probably get negged because it's half assed advice but here it goes, you ready? Eat whatever the fuck you want but eat Alot of it. You have a hard time gaining weight.... if you want pizza eat pizza you want a cheeseburger eat a cheese burger. Hit your target weight then clean that shit up and maintain. Drink whole milk with meals things of this nature you would be suprised the impact an extra 500 cals a day could have on you.
1.eat more
2.sleep more
3. Train your ass off
4. Stick to your routine
You don't need the gear at this point bro.
Haven't you noticed all the "no advice to under 25's comments"?. There's plenty of them.
Let's have a look at your diet then. I'll help if you like. I'll tell you now you don't eat enough. Genetics aside, if you struggle to put on weight, diet needs adjustment.
Bro I get it, not gunna roast you for running gear young as most of these vets started young too. But I still think you could grow with less gear. It's about food and sleep. But mostly food.
If this is your second cycle you really don't need nandrolone. The test and dbol should be enough.
Deca is nice for joints. But also shuts ya down, brah. I'd look into running some HCG on cycle, especially if you're thinking about using deca. And 8 weeks is on the shorter end, 12 weeks would be better. The 2/1 ratio of deca and test is bro science. All you need is real Caber. Pharma is better, but if you look some RC sites have it was well. Arimidex has an estrogen rebound as well. So it's not good to go from Adex to Nolva. I might start with Adex when needed, and transition into aromasin which does not rebound. Then use Nolva in PCT with Aromasin on the end of pct because of that small rebound.
Nolva does not mix well with tren and deca because Nolva has a tendency to promote more prolactin. If the deca clears before the test, you can do the standard clomid/ Nolva pct.
Personally, when I run 19nors, I use clomid & toremifene in pct. When I was your age I limited myself to one 12 week cycle a calander year. Time on (includes PCT) = time off. And tried to keep as many gains as physically possible. Little is more.
I hope this helps, but remember we all are different.
I hope you see the light now. Read the rules. I'm going to reset your karma, in faith that you will become a productive member and helpful in the forums. We have a policy about looking out for the members health here. No cycling before 25 due to endocrine system development, no crazy cycles if the cycle history and physique doesn't warrent it. No taboo subjects like hardcore diuretics, slin. Etc etc. Don't make me regret it bro. I don't give second chances often to people.
Thank you, Tony. You won't regret it.
Not acceptable here, -2
Dude, I get it now. But you can't send me a PM? Gotta dock me two points? I would of edited it.
I'm just not going to give anyone advise.
There goes my luck for participating in any promos on the site for the spring.
LOL... sorry I just couldn't help myself ...
The original Kodiakgrrl!
Omg I've been follow you for years ! I'm honored !
Yea I know, don't say stuff like that on here. I look dumb.
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Hands off dube................... she be mine
Predator lol
lmfao... i just spit out a potato chip !!
dont worry honey... i,ll clean that up and get you a fresh bag of chips ;)
I d like a coca cola to go with that bag of chips please ;-) I m bulking ;-)
You want me to spend my time sending you a FR and then a PM about what is and what's not acceptable here? That's your responsibility. Why don't you look around, it's not exactly "under the radar".
That's probably for the best
Collecting karma for promos. Might want to keep that to yourself. Otherwise you're going to make yourself about as popular as the Ebola virus at this rate.
Schwarzenegger began weight training at the age of 15. He won the Mr. Universe title at age 20 and went on to win the Mr. Olympia contest seven times.
All natty till 25, that's impressive.
I definitely understand the rules of this now.
And if you think it's for the best I don't give advice. Well that's your opinion. There was a lot of info in my reply. I must of made it all up.
This site has a policy of no advice to under 25's, like it or not. Your "Arnold" comment is therefore utterly irrelevant. You're the one that stated you won't give advice and considering you seem to be unable to grasp such a simple premise, I'd have to agree.
Drop the sarcasm, you're making yourself look stupid.
Edit - And then you send me a FR.
Yeah, I did. To say my bad. It's cool, bro. Won't happen again. It's just feels like everytime I use this site, there is always a veteran that uses his power to ruin new comers, and put a bad taste in their mouth about the site. That's all. You guys went in for the kill and down voted everything. There are people PMing me about this saying you went on a powertrip.
So I FR to apologize. I'm over it. So let's just let it go. I enjoyed every minute of this site up till today.
You are hanging by a thread.
Yes, understood. Tony sent me a PM.
Apology? Isn't anything of the sort.
If it makes you feel better assuming I'm responsible for all your minus votes due to a "power trip" as you so eloquently explain it, fill your boots. Just to be clear, I never touched your karma again. Surprised? Don't take my word for it, go ask a moderator, they can tell you exactly what I down voted.
I never said you were responsible for "all" my down votes.
I'm starting to feel like I'm being bullied. And that's not why I joined this community, to feel bullied.
I understand the rules now. That's that.
You're feeling bullied? Just so I'm clear is that directed at me or not, I can't tell? Are you calling me a bully or just eroids generally? As all of your responses are to me, I'd draw the likely conclusion that you're directing it to me but I was, (apparently), wrong before.
I'll just copy and paste this for the second time as an example of how you personally imply something:
You addressed this to me, nobody's else just me despite the fact that probably 10+ people or more down voted you for irresponsible advice. That's all, dealt with in my eyes. But you carry on and on with this nonsense, "that's that, but I'll just throw this bully bit in l". I don't like you implying I'm bullying you, but at least now you've openly come out and said rather than an implied undertone of it all the way through. I'm nothing of the sort, I'm actually quite a nice bloke, ask around.
Your reaction is so misguided. All this about karma points that you only wanted for freebies anyway.
What an utter waste of everybody's time.
It's all In the past now. Let's all move forwards bro. He has been given a second chance, read the rules thoroughly and is going to change his ways from here on out. If he doesn't there will be no need to neg and argue as I will take care of him :). Hopefullyou he becomes a productive member. If not refer to my post above to him.
Yeah I agree. Total waste of time. I've just been watching since I said my piece yesterday after I had negged him for the original bad advise and watching this nonsense. You have always been a stand-up and fair guy in my eyes and to call your a bully is Bull! Sure anyone here that matters would agree. Don't give it a seconds more thought brother.
Bro no AAS advise to under 25. It's against a thre rules. Maybe you should have a re-read. -1 from me.
To the OP. Bigmurph has you covered below. Eating and training is all you need to be doing for now. AAS at such a young age can really fuck up your endocrine system for life. Stick around here and soak it all in an learn. Hop on the diet forums and get the fellas there to help you set-up your diet to get your growing. These guys know what they're doing and if you follow the advise YOU WILL GROW. Good luck
You doc me too? Forget this website.
Bro if you spent anytime here you would know not to give advice to under 25's. You would know this to if you bothered to read the rules. Just take some responsibility. After all it was irresponsible and dangerous to give advise to someone so young. So Cat and me docked you a few karma points. Big deal. You're a big boy aren't you? If all you're here for is to collect karma to participate in promos I suggest you become and upstanding citizen and I certainly wouldn't asvertise that fact. Karma hounds are not well liked here.
Not whoring. But you know it's nice to have at least 10 points in the bucket. And you know why....
But I'll accept responsibility. You only learn from your mistakes .
bigmurphYou need to eat and work out and when you turn 25 wait longer if you can take as much as you want but you already ran so don't do anymore harm to yourself. Your body will change around 25 and with a strong natty base the cycle you run you will be able to make incredible gains if you keep running gear now when you're older you wont even produce any natural test especially if you run nandrolone.
This ^ nandrolone is fucking terrible. Shut me down hard I ran clomid nolva pct standard and was still shut down for nearly 6 months lost all the cycle gains plus some I weighed less then when I started and was lifting less that when I started. 19 nor is some nasty shit!
bigmurphIm going to run npp with my next cycle but first 8 wks then stop deconate ester lasts a long time phenyl prop is shorter but im still going to end it 7 wks before I stop my test.
Good luck friend deca bit me in the ass hard lol