Running GW-1516 along with AAS to avoid drop in cardio endurance?
I am about to start a cut cycle, and I was wondering what everyone thought about running a GW along side in order to try to combat the cardio endurance drop that is so commonly associated with some of these compounds. For more information:
Age: 28
Height:5'7"
Weight:230
BF%: 20%
Cycle:12 Weeks
1-12 Test E 250mg EW
1-12* Anastrozole .5mg EOD
6-12 Test Prop 100mg E3D
6-12 Mast P 50mg E3D
6-12 Tren ACE 50mg E3D
*Anastrozole will be continued throughout PCT
PCT: 5 Weeks beginning 10days post final injection
Weeks 1-4 Nolva 40mg ED
Weeks 1-4 Clomiphene 100mg ED
Wekks 1-5 Anastrozole 1mg ED
Week 1- 4,500iu HCG (three times with a day in between each)
Week 2- 3,000iu HCG (three times with a day in between each)
Week 3- 1,500iu HCG (three times with a day in between each)
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Just wondering why you are running the test e for 12 wks and then adding in additional test p for the last 6 weeks? Seems alot simpler to me to just run the test e and not monky around with adding in the additional prop. I would just run a test P taper going into PCT instead. As long as I am talking here, is the tren A even necessary? Have you ran tren before? I see no mention of prolactin control being on hand.
All good points. I have run tren before, and I do have cabergoline on hand for prolactin control. Running the taper is solid advice. I actually hadn't considered that. My logic behind the cycle is as follows: I would typically front load with a prop and then run long ester. In this case, I thought that starting with the long ester would let my body ease into the cycle. This is the primary reason I am keeping my dose at the minimum because of the plan to add in the additional test. I figure test is test, once I'm six weeks in on test e, it will have had to for bioaccumulation in the blood, then adding the test p just gives a mild boost to those levels for those last 6 weeks. With Mast P and Tren Ace, I just like the way it makes me feel to be honest. Few things in life are harder than being 6,8,10 weeks into a cutting diet. Tren A gives me that added benefit of being not aromatizing as well as having strong androgenic properties to keep gains hard. Along the lines of how things make me feel, mast gives me laser focus and motivation like nothing else, and at 50mg E3D, it's just enough to keep aggression at the gym. I could be way off base on this though. I'm only going on what my previous experience has been.
If you have done it that way before and it has worked for you it's definitely not my place to tell you to run it any differently. Just seemed a little different than what you typically see so I was curious and just like tossing around different ideas and perspectives. That is how we all learn something.
Just for comparison sake this how I would probably run something like you are
1-12 Test e 250mgwk
1-4 Test P 50mg ED (kicker)
6-14 Mast P 50mg/D (mast e might be better to save on pinning and just start same time as test e)
6-14 Tren A ?? (I wouldn't use tren for just a normal cut unless prepping for a show) - I still haven't used it
13-14 test p 50mg ED (taper)
PCT - 3 days after last prop shot
Lots of ways to skin a cat here but your way is probably just as good as mine.
Luda281I'm actually thinking about running gw1516 for my next show. I hear 10mg a day works but I really think you have to be pretty low in bf to see results. I was prob 5% at my last show
5'7 170
Luda281Usually I would agree with makwa that your starting bf is way too high to even run a cut stack like that but you could try it and see if it will jump start you. But my recommendation would be to run clen with your cycles, do cardio twice a day fasted and post workout and get your diet on point.
I would personally run test e, tren e, anavar with clen.
Yeah, previous comment below. I'm running a natural nutritional protocol before cycling. I'll run a carb cycle until I plateau, then phase into a ketogenic protocol. This usually takes me about 4-6 to drop into the 10-12% range. Also, the 20% was a mistype. My current bf is at 18%. So, I really only need to drop about 6-8% natural then blast it with my cycle. I like the tren e/test e combo. But, I'm trying to go with the long ester for the full 12 weeks, then blast it with the short esters the last 6 weeks. Also, I'm not a big fan of anavar. Clen is a good idea though. I was thinking of doing an ECA stack instead though.
I have ran GW before but mostly for its puported benefits for lipids. Did I see any cardio improvement from it.......????? Nothing earth shattering if there was.
Really unnecessary to be running a cutting a cycle starting at 20%. Kind of wasting a good cutting cycle starting that high if that is your plan. Fat comes off quick fast due to diet and training alone when it is that high. Knock off the easy fat first that doesn't need a cycle, and then run the cycle to lower it even more when the going gets tough and you can use some AAS to spare muscle mass. AAS isn't going to make you lose the fat any faster.
That's actually a mistype. My bf% is at 18% right now. I am just so used to writing 20 because that's where I lingered during my bulk for 12 weeks. Thanks for the feedback, and yeah, I'm going to run 4-6 weeks natural precycle nutritional protocol to get my bf down closer to the 10-12% mark (that is where my body tends to plateau naturally for whatever reason). I'll be starting on a carb cycle and then phasing into keto. Once I'm down to my lower range, I'll put in the cycle to help maintain my mass as I get into precontest starving on bland food mode (hyperbole of course).
That is a good way to go about it. Get that BF down to where you start to plateau and then hit it with a cycle. It looks like you were planning on running your AI during PCT. No need to do that. Your dose of AI might be overkill also. With the lower test amount and mast in there, you could easily crash estro using any AI in that scenario.
So should I run the AI OC at all, or do I need to just lower it to .25mg EOD?
I would drop the AI completely, unless estro signs show up or bloodwork confirms otherwise.
Ok, cool. I've run it that way the past couple cycles just out of caution, but now, thinking from a biochemical standpoint, I was concerned about running an aromatase inhibitor that long because I don't want to risk shutting down completely. Thanks for the confirmation though.
I am on 250mg of test right now and not requiring any AI.
Good to know! I'm going to get my blood work run throughout, so I'll take your advice and drop the AI. I'll keep an eye on the blood work, and just adjust as needed throughout.
You should be able to keep things dialed in with bloodwork then. Last thing you want to do is crash your estro. Not fun, and believe me it takes a long time to recover from.
I'm also thinking the Anastrozole dose might be a little extreme, and maybe edging it down to just .5 ED even during PCT. Thoughts and advice are most welcome. Also, I will be doing a 4week natural prep to condition my body to the change in nutritional protocol as well as running a vegetable/fruit juice cleanse before I begin my cycle. Nutritionally, I will start with a carb cycle and if that isn't working, will switch to keto.