This brand you do not hear much about but is good quality in my book. I have had these for a little while and was cruising at 125 every 7 to 10 days. It kept my wheight and hunger up but i was not in the gym like i am now. I added this in last week on top of some sus 450 because that is gone and the long esters should keep right up. These oils are so thin. Draw like water.