-4 Classic Cut Cycle
I'm 34 years old, 5'9', 182 lbs. BF around 10-11 %. This is my 4th cycle, First time with Ten.I've tried all compounds before. Let me know what you think about this cycle and spare me the "too early for tren" shit. Ratio of 2:2:1 tren, mast, test
1- Liver support throughout the whole cycle. + multi vitamins, fish oil
2- PCT 3 days for 4 weeks after cycle: Nolva : 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50, Adex continues
3- My workouts consist of a mix of both strength and hypertrophy training, one day off every 3 days.
4- Starting to ditch cardio machines for explosive circuit plyometrics like burpees, pushups,...as workout finishers for fat loss.
Questions:
Answer my questions ONLY if you've been cycling for a long time and you know what the hell you're saying, not what you "think" is right. Answer as 1,2,3 just like the way I'm asking.
1- Ive done Var before, as a kicker and a finisher 4 weeks each, at 50 mg ED. Should I up my var to lets say 70 mg ED, what is the safest limit for ED?
2- How many weeks can you run var without fucking up your liver even with liver support?
3- Is creatine okay with cutting cycles?
4- Ratio of 2:2:1 tren, mast, or my test dose is too low at 50 mg EOD?
5- Keep cycle at 10 weeks, or extend to 14 weeks?
| Week | Test P | Tren A | Mast P | Var | Adex |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 0.5 mg E3D | |
| 2 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 0.5 mg E3D | |
| 3 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 0.5 mg E3D | |
| 4 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 0.5 mg E3D | |
| 5 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 0.5 mg E3D | |
| 6 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 50 mg ED | 0.5 mg E3D |
| 7 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 50 mg ED | 0.5 mg E3D |
| 8 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 50 mg ED | 0.5 mg E3D |
| 9 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 50 mg ED | 0.5 mg E3D |
| 10 | 50 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 100 mg EOD | 50 mg ED | 0.5 mg E3D |
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dimonddavidsonGod its good having you back on the boards.
1 - Are you running any other orals or just Var? A lot of people say to not stack orals, but I say to consider the total dose. Is running 50mg of winny any safer than 30mg winny plus 20mg var? I doubt it, though some orals are more liver toxic than others. I finished a cycle with all left over pro-hormones (some p-plex, epistane, and halodrol, plus winny and var) and I was fine. It was over 100 total mg per week for maybe 4 weeks. Everybody is different though. My liver has always been pretty resilient.
2 - I wouldn't run orals for any longer than 8 weeks, but that's pushing it. I usually end a cycle with 40 days of short esters and orals.
3 - Everybody reacts differently on creatine. It won't affect the cut at all, but if you're looking to peak or step on stage, it might hold water. So, it depends on exactly what you're doing.
4 - Everybody is different when running test and tren. For some, they need to double the test in order to prevent loss of libido and other side effects of the tren. For others, this would totally screw them up. The theory is that the tren is so strong it kicks the test off the receptor and leaves it to just hang around, so some people can just run HRT levels of test with tren, otherwise they get nasty sides. Rich Piana, however, talked about needing twice the amount of test than tren, otherwise he had sides. Only one way to find out.
5 - I'd keep this cycle at 10 weeks. You're going to shut down hard and it might be a tough recovery. You'll learn a lot from this cycle and can make adjustments. For this one, err on the side of caution.
brother im trying real hard not to neg you for this advice... your realy need to do more research before you dish out advice.
Yea what's posted up top and his rant below are both neg worthy
RustyhookerSuggest you spend time learning than offering funky advice. Its frowned upon here.
and I suggest that you get some help for your insecurity issues. I spend far more time learning, and if you read my post I speak to my own experience and make suggestions. The guy asked for advice. I gave my opinion, which is far more valuable than your insult.
This is an internet forum. There is no "expertise" here, certainly not any that I would trust as such. We have anecdotal evidence and individual experiences, and not much else. Clearly, he wasn't asking about fish and chips.
So, I think that stacking orals isn't necessarily dangerous depending on the total dose. Do you disagree? What exactly is your opinion on the subject, and on what is it based? Do you think that running 20mg of var and 30 mg of winny is any more dangerous than 50mg of winny? Your opinion on that might be helpful, or not. I could certainly be wrong, and if so I would be very grateful if you pointed out exactly where I am mistaken. After all, the decision to ingest any of these substances should not be taken lightly. That's why we come to these forums.
I'm 36 years old. I don't have a facebook page or a twitter account or an instagram account. I can promise you that I spend far more time ingesting information than I do dispensing it, and I'm certainly not "hip and with it" when it comes to bro rules, so if you were just trolling me then well played. I will gladly admit that I don't come close to understanding any of that. I try to build up and help, or I just keep my mouth shut (99 percent of the time it is the latter).
BTW, your stats are weak as shit, and you obviously like to talk a lot. I've posted less than a half dozen times and started zero topics, and there's absolutely nothing to suggest that you are more qualified than me to spout off. I'm guessing you have Napoleon (short guy) complex?
yes I do say stacking orals is more dangerous... the more orals that pass through your liver the higher your enzymes will rise thus causing damage.. im speaking from experience ..
RustyhookerI wont read all that kenny. Zzzzzzz
Do you realize you spent all that time writing all that bad advice to a banned member?
RustyhookerGuys a genius! Rocked out prohormone guru! Lol
5-10 @ 185 mass monster. Lol
MeinuntergangHere:
Week 1-12
Fish n Chips
Week 13-14
Beer brah
RustyhookerProblems with cycle. Too much too long and too harsh. Doses imo are too high. Tren is 5x stronger than test. Ricket science of course is if you're not gaining on just test, its all food and gym problems. Using tren makes all your food intake and gym THAT much more important. Errors in either and you will finish 10 pounds lighter, flat and probably single. Going past 6 week will be 6 week pct of utter bullcrap. No prior pct was as nasty for me. If you dont have pharma ai, hcg, pct....you're already lost. Gains drop in pct as fast as they came on tren. Why? Welcome to a hard shutdown. Double that with the visual errors in your diet and gym. And dont bs me, if food and gym was on point you'd be easily 220 after 4 prior cycles. See my last post on where are you.
You could run a 10 week npp cycle in link below and add quality gains in size and strength. Npp I ran in april. Pumped all day ling. Gym was pump plus. Focus, mental happiness, and gains. Big big foods!!! No stress. Eat and grow.
My favorite cutter...or bulker depending on diet. Prop mast p and anavar.
1-8 test p 150 eod or 75ed
1-8 mast 150 eod
2-8 var 50 split
Strength was excellent! Focused. Dht aggro in gym. Var kills appetite so big clean meals were easy and cheats weren't even a thought.
Hey your lucky you havent been banned already just man up apologize and start being a productive member...you asked for help now you dont like what you here so you insult everyone trying to help ...not cool bro
mechyboy1again you're one of those who ddidnt even read from the beginning and don't know wha the hell you're saying... i didn't like what i heard? yes because i only heard insults about my attitude ( they don't even now me to judge me), and you said they offered help? NO one offered help, they were just saying non sense, pulling stupid jokes like them and giving themselves thumbs up, while i was waiting for input to make an order..Im shocked by what I got on here. yea i m starting to believe too much juice can fuck up your brain, if you still have some brain left you ll understand what i m saying
No way you're 34. Maybe 24. You should've just chilled and listened.
Rustyhookerhttps://www.eroids.com/og/who-is-the-biggest-douche-bag-on-this-site/ski...
Is this a record for how fast a new member made this list?
RustyhookerI dunno. Ive hand walked dozens of folks into making goals. Cycle logs is a disaster of buttholes and bad info. It just for yolo folks.
Damn, you come in here supposedly looking for help and then piss all over anyone that keeps it real with you. If mechy cannot get with the program then mechy has to go. You decide.
Bounce his ass! We already have too many D-bags that don't respect the house l.
mechyboy1You're the only douche bag on here. Karma whore. Look at you barking and kissing asses on here but the funny thing is no one is giving you any attention. You want Karma for free gear. I can send you some
LMAO I never made the biggest dbag list here. You may have set a record how fast you made that list.
mechyboy1No one was trying to help. All of them were giving me lecture about manners and attitude and dogs barking... then couple of them woke up and starting communicating like normal people.. I was the one asking for help.
A simple "sorry guys, I didn't mean to come off that way. I'd really appreciate some help/advice" would of solved this whole thing. Not:
Communication is a two way street chief.
You'd be amazed and what you can get here. Instead, you still keep going down the other path. Not to late to switch it up. Again, solid advice on how to get things here.
mechyboy1I have nothing to apologize for. Let me spoon feed you again what I said. I said I'm running tren. Critique my dose and cycle length. I don't want reply from little kids on here who don't know what they are talking about and they are too many and I need answer as in 1-2-3 so everything is short and concise and no clutter. Now that I spoon fed you this you either realize what a brainless jerk you are or have too much juice in your brain to even realize that...after I asked for helped here, all I got is angry mobs like you who got too much juice slipping into their brains instead of their muscles. and karma whores trying to be smart. You turned my post into a dump of clutter with your stupid comments. No wonder this forum is packed with so much crap. So I took my question elsewhere where smarter people could easily understand my intention and manners and got the help I needed. I only Come here when I get a notification that another jerk commented on my post.
You've proven yourself nothing more than a myopic, petulant teenager (an angry one to boot). I'm sure it serves you well...
It would be best if you moved on. Eroids is for grownups (or those who act it).
RustyhookerYou're just a fucking hose dude. Shut the pie hoke and learn. Jeezus
mechyboy1Pic uploaded. Now go like other haters tell me how bad i look
mechyboy1I just realized you're 5'4?!!!! With 15 percent BF?!!! I'd say 25 percent from sitting here all day long. You should be on weight watchers not on here. My advice to you today: Loose your fat first... You calling me skinny?? Lemme upload a pic of me here so you can feel bad about yourself
All I see is you shitting on other members. -1 I'll fix it if you decide to be a productive member here. Otherwise gtfo