+ 4 Time to educate ouselves a little.
Ok folks this is geared toward to Newbs im going to ask a few questions and I would like you to answer with what you think is right and when we get several people that have responded we will talk about your answers .
1 Does it matter where you get your protein from ? shake or real food .. protein is protein right?
2 does it matter what carbs you ingest? because a carb is a carb complex or simple carb there the same correct?
3 Forget the veggies when trying to get big .. they add no nutritional value to my cycle and play not part of my diet.?
4 when bulking I don't have to worry about what I eat I can eat anything from junk food to pizza cause my buddy said im running Tren and its ok
Give me your honest answers on how you feel about these 4 statements and then we will discuss it later.
NO JUDGMENT.. NOBODY WILL CALL YOU STUPID THIS IS A PLACE TO LEARN.
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AnonIt does matter where you get your protein from to a certain degree. There are sources of proteins that have more branched chain amino acids (whey for example) and then you have other proteins that are incomplete proteins by themselves (such as certain plant based proteins). A lot of bodybuilders swear that red meat helps you grow more. Maybe this is due to the creatine.
This is another personal preference question. Of course it matters if you want to avoid diabetes. You ideally wants slow digesting carbs because they have fibers that have health benefits and help keep you full and keep your bowel movements regular.
Veggies are important if you want a long and healthy life, enough said.
As for the last one, obviously you ideally don't want to eat garbage food because your cholesterol will get ruined on top of doing gear. But tren is very powerful and you probably wouldn't add much if any fat while on it. I think a lot of eating crap food vs not eating crap depends on how fast your metabolism is and whether or not you want to live a long life with no heart problems
1) It matters where you get protein for sure. Whey protein is excellent for post workout because it is a quick digesting protein and is highly bioavailable since it is derived from an animal source. Protein from foods are better for meals because they have a more diverse arrangement of amino acids (both essential and nonessenial) and also have cofactors attached to them such as zinc, iron, thiamin and other micro nutrients. I really like albumin in the morning (egg protein) since it is the most readily absorbed, has a great variety and concentration of amino acids, and has a nice steady release rate when coupled with something like peanut butter and some fibrous veggies.
2) Carbs matter as well! Simple carbs are excellent when the muscles are depleted as they can bypass the stomach relatively quickly and go through the small intestine rapidly as well and get straight into the blood stream. The high amount of glucose (found in almost all simple sugars besides your monosaccharides like galactose and fructose) causes a spike in insulin which is the most anabolic hormone. If coupled with a fast digesting protein like whey post workout this causes a huge anabolic effects and puts more transporters onto muscle cell membranes to pull in nutrients and assist in muscle regeneration, replenishment, and repair. Insulin causes changes inside the cell to favor anabolism (increase muscle building enzymes and energy replenishing enzymes etc)
Complex carbs have theyre place as well. Most complex carbs are associated with things such as whole wheat bread which are high in nutrients and fiber. Fiber prevents this spike in insulin which is important for your day to day activities since insulin also opens up channels in fat cells to allow nutrients in. Fiber helps keep blood glucose levels steady and can feed microorganisms in your gut, which has many health benefits from lowered cholesterol to lower blood pressure and lowered cardiovascular disease risk. It can even provide fatty acids for energy metabolism in muscle cells.
Most foods are combination of these two. I will only consume simple carbs with fibrous foods or without fiber post workout. All other types are complex.
3) Veggies are critical to bulking. The fiber not only does everything I jsut listed but it also helps push all the extra bulk out of your body making you feel less full, look less bloated, and creates more room for more food. Veggies also add TONS of micronutrients that assist in everything from muscle building to energy metabolism to healthy looking skin down to nerve cell repair. There are many other kinds of compounds in them that are not vitamins or minerals that assist in keeping a healthy body to keep energy levels high and the body young to keep going strong in your 50s and beyond.
4) Tren is a great nutrient utilizer but if you eat like shit your body will be made of shit. You are what you eat. Sure, eat pizza and burgers and maybe youll still have a nice body on tren. But lets look at your lipids, your arteries, and other health markers. While on tren you are already at HIGH health risk, eating crap will dramatically raise the risk. Eat clean, feel clean, be clean.
Solid bro. Well said, and clearly understood. +1
I appreciate everyone chiming in.. its good as a refresher and to pass along knowledge to the younger guys so they can educate the next generation..
Allow me to drop Faz a couple of +3s............ he knows his shit
Thanks, definitely still a lot to learn!!!
1) absolutely!! Shakes are supplement not a replacement, should be used after protein requirements have already been made. Useful post work out and maybe casein before bed.
2)yes it matters, because different carbs are broken down at different rates, fast acting carbs are pretty much fake calories and shouldn't be used to meet your daily carb requirement.
3) you should still eat veggies, for the visits mins, minerals and fibre. There's more reasons I'm just not sure of them.
4)you can cheat a little bit but all gains are made out of food, so to get the best results you need to eat what the body needs rather than wants.
Would you care to explain how post work out shakes would be beneficial? And why using casein before bed may/may not be beneficial?
Post workout shakes are beneficial because of the speed of absorbtion you get from a liquid, I think it's a protein shake within 20mins of finishing workout followed by a big meal 30mins later. I wanna say the shake helps replace the empty glycogen stores but I might be wrong with that bit.
Casein before bed because it's the slowest to breakdown out of the proteins, keeps you out of a catabolic state throughout the night. I tend to just drink a litre of milk though
this is called protein timing- because of the bodies increased ability to send amino acids to the muscle after a workout and the elevated insulin response there is much higher rate at which our bodies are able to absorb the protein, carbs and aminos after a work out. the typical window is within 20-30 minutes, some say as long as its within one hour. typically this is also the best time to replenish our carb stores, protein and amino acids used during a hard routine while adding some for repair and growth and should use a balanced carb to protein ratio of 2:1 after a workout.
Thanks for the response. I've only really used amino acids if they've been part of my whey protein and from food sources. Do you supplement them seperately? i.e powdered/tablets and if so at what times? I've read people taking them pre workout before fasted cardio in the morning and other people using them during and post workout.
i have one amino drink a day, and what comes in my protein shake after workout. thats it for me, this is something i do more so when im training heavy.
Great answer. I've always been taught that the optimal window is within the first hour post workout. And excellent point regarding a full meal after the shake! Little tip of gold from Vike on here: Don't chug the protein shake, sip it over a duration as this will help more fully absorb the nutrients. (I don't remember the actual percentages though!) You need carbohydrates after a workout to replenish depleted glycogen stores, so if you have carbs integrated into the shake that will go a long way in helping.
Correct again about the casein! You can always have cottage cheese (my preference), actual casein supplement, milk, etc.
I've tried to read everything Viking has said on here an I've been sipping my shakes ever since.
I knew the glycogen needed replacing just couldn't remember where from, how much do recommend carb wise in the post workout shake? I always worry I'll fill myself up an struggle with the proper food.
I haven't tried cottage cheese before bed, I'll give it a try.
Whatever the amount of protein you use i.e 30grams....... then double it for carb intake so 2.1 ratio.. only when bulking though bro.... zero carbs on a full cut post W/O
the team I work with we use a 3:1 ratio and based on glycogen scans (via ultrasound tech) it appears to be much more effective at restoring glycogen levels and increasing anabolism based on enzyme markers
The carb ratio is also 3:1 glucose:fructose. Fructose is all absorbed by the liver and helps to "distract" the liver (blocks protein channels that glucose takes as well) and allows glucose to bypass the liver and get into the muscle cells
Ok thanks! I've got a lot more food to be eating before I think bout cutting.
Did you know because Casein is a "sticky protein" it was the worlds first ever Glue!......... the Romans invented it (Glue not Casein lol)
Makes sense.. thats why its super slow to break down and aiding in steady absorption whilst we snore our bollocks off lol
Do you want to know something fucking great? I have used it almost exclusively for any type of millwork installation where applicable, and that it didn't register as being the same casein until just now?
Did you know that was the only form of powder we had back in the day......... Whey is the new kid on the block as far as i am concerned, then when we start talking Isolates........ Boooom fkn hell thats real Evolution.
It was a much simpler time back in the day then. Today we have eighteen different fucking forms of whey, and all of them do the exact same shit good old whey does at double the price... And none of it is as good as the old fashioned moo protein.
But we digress! Let's get some continuation questions going on up in here, keep this quiz alive!
Money go round is what it is bro..................... no such thing as supplement shops.. we had to go to the chemists shop for it, it was called Casilan and it was developed for getting real sick underweight folks back up to a healthy weight............ to drink it was like a mixture of wall paper paste and glue! tasted like shit too.... no such thing as fkn banana and strawberry nipple flavour like they dish out nowadays so pencil necks can chug it without puking lol
Sounds like Promod we would put in the tube feeding bags. Clumpy, stinky stuff clogged up the pump lines...we would also give intravenous albumin based off albumin level and total protein....septic shock eats protein up quick...
wow didn't know that glue .. learn something everyday
so what types of carbs should we take in as far as morning, mid and in between if any? what is an empty carb as far as food? Im not ball busting, your responses are good.
When my diets perfect I try to have oats in the morning, rice meals 2 and 3, sweet potato meals 4(gym after meal 4) and 5 and just protein an veggies for meal 6.
I class empty carbs as sugars, carbs that come from junk food.
I didn't think you were ball busting, thanks for taking the time to reply.
Good answer, as a follow up simple dextrose like whats found in some brands of gummy bears can be beneficial to give you an insulin rush. Sometimes if im tired before tbe gym I take a handful to give me a little boost instead of a preworkout. Good job man! sub jasmin rice for white rice and you took out the refined carbs.
I like gummi bears...and thanks for the tip on the jasmine rice...i couldnt find wild the other day...
I use dextrose when I have creatine, I read somewhere it helps absorption. I haven't thought to use it as a pre workout, it's a good idea though I can't do the stimulant pre workout drinks makes me feel wired.
RustyhookerEnjoyed your answers and enthusiasm. ! Welcome to eroids
Thanks, I've been lurking and reading for a while, thought it was about time I started contributing more.
Haribo Original gummy bears, 7 bucks a bag. They use pure dextrose as the main ingredient. Good stuff ONLY for a quick energy boost, otherwise it will be empty carbs.
I like to go hiking an always take some form of haribo to help with the steep bits, I think I was using them that way and didn't even realise.
The only pre-workout drink you need is a cup of black coffee brother. Don't waste your money on them!
Jasmine green tea from china...two teaspoons of honey and milk...it has a nice even boost...
Yes but a double espresso really gets me moving.
think of a empty carb as this... any carb that does not come from a whole food... or a carb that's been refined.. complex carbs are carbs that come from whole foods that's not been refined whole wheat wild rice, any carb form a veggi. that's the best way I can explaine it
MightyMatt812Don't forget nuts
Yep, that makes sense to me. Thanks!