ideas for a second cycle
Ok so I'm doing some research into my cycle based on my goals which is so gain quality muscle on a mediocre scale. Not looking to puff up or gain a major amount of weight. I've read the typical second as running test only again, test/deca, test/dbol. Now my first cycle I gained a good amount of weight near 20lbs plus this was only an 8 wk cycle, cut short due to illness. I've kept 12lbs thus far. I retained a lot of water with test e but sides were very minimal. I'm looking to add a more defined look to my physique which I can do natty but my weight drops like an anorexic. Looking to gain not lose. My strength is also so-so natty that's why I'm running a second cycle, test e gave me phenomenal strength. Quality strength that has slipped only somewhat so far. I'm a few months from starting my second cycle and was wondering what experienced ppl thought if this cycle. Also I know var is another choice but trying to avoid orals. I've heard of the injectable but am sketchy. Also I know running primo you need a longer cycle typically 14 wks? for any real results
14wks
450mg/wk sustanon
300 mg/wk primo
Armidex start when nips or estro sides show. I did start taking anatrozole wk3 last cycle when nips began feeling sensative. Worked great throughout cycle. Estrodial levels were 20.
Typical pct clomid/nolva 4wks.
I'm 33, 5'6" 178lbs. Bf 9%. Was close to 190lbs at the end of last cycle. Was 162lbs beginning of first cycle.
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i would just go for test again, maybe a slightly higher dose for a slightly longer period of time, master the art of the king that is testosterone, keep it basic, enjoy the cycle and enjoy the cleanliness of just test, if you ask me, side affect wise, feeling wise, general well being wise test only can not be beaten, im not sure what you dosed your first cycle like?
test e or c- 1-14
aromasin on hand, use as/ if needed, should not need until about week 5 depending if your sensitive to estrogen side including acne.
pct- 15 days after your last shot of test
clomid- 100-100-50-50
nolva- 60-40-40-40-20
pct doses can be adjusted to suit your specific requirements.
its only your second cycle, that being said, you have been advised on a couple of other options, 750mgs a week is on the moderately high side of things in general for an average gym rat, steroid user, but if you were going to run another compound ie: mast or primo, the totals would be around the same ball park from what i can see suggested, so wouldn't be a huge drama, i have seen dudes gain 8 kgs of less test by itself with an awesome diet, proper intense training and a decent rest pattern, your libido will shoot up, and your sex life or wank life will be amplified.
dont for get your support supps, prostate, liver, kidneys etc etc vitamins/ minerals/ nutrients etc etc, and dont forget your blood tests!!! (important) if you want to learn this game and your body properly.
just another option mate. good luck.
I wouldn't do primo for second cycle, I would do 500-550mg sust mwf pins along with 50mg proviron.. I know it doesn't sound like much but wow what a cycle that woud be, you would be blowing kids out of the gym. Also 300mg/wk primo is wasting it, I know it was said before down there but I am just throwing in my 2 cents. Good luck!
Would provi be run last 6 weeks or entire cycle...read it's somewhat hepatoxic, skews hdl and ldl's too. I've heard it being run through entire cycles but I'm thinking it wasn't their second time running gear. Thoughts are appreciated
Week 4 to end of cycle stopping before PCT...Use some liver support becuz it does raise AST and ALT a little. I ran it 25mg eod from jan of this year up until the middle of oct. Be ready though cuz ur gonna be like a rabbit in the spring....lol!!
Lol no complaints coming from me, maybe the gf though.
Yes, agreed. Proviron has been highly recommended as the better choice. Looks more and more appealing. Thanks for the 2 cents
Not wanting to get involved with this thread but has anyone thought about swapping out the primo for Masteron E. ?????????............ thats what i would do, better results with a decent dosage than primo imo, far cheaper for the length of cycle planned and its a marriage made in heaven stacked with Sustanon, built in Ai capabilities comes as a free extra..... no need for any orals with this combo.
To me his stated goal would be met using these 2 compounds easily........... with diet in check of course.
I have a slowly receding hairline I think mast would leave me looking like Homer Simpson.
You never know until you try. I never experienced any hair loss with Mast E and I ran it for 22 weeks. Started at 400mg /wk and worked it down to 200mg /wk about halfway through. Now Dbol on the other hand makes my hair fall out wholesale. Everyone reacts differently to different compounds.
True...try provi first, and then transition into mast prop then mast e....u will be able.to work with the drug and develop a better understanding of how it affects ur body...bro
Hey i never thought of this for a second cycle, but, i bet it would produce better results than primo. I like that idea cry havoc stated using all three with boldenone..i had thought about bold cyp, mast e, and test e...but i did low dose test e and provi, and worked on getting diet down, instead...
I'm running this ^^^ cycle with the addition of Equipoise. One of my all time favorite bulkers. This is one of your ideas in fact Vike so thanks!!!
This is a good clean cycle!
RustyhookerGood to see you bro!
Like wise brother. You'll be seeing more of me over the winter!
RustyhookerGreat news! I hope to add a few new secrets into the realm. Or at least pass a few goals. Lol.
Rustyhooker^^^^^^^^this. Done it...loved it.
Modern day classic that brother.......... never known a failure or anyone suffer on this combo.
Where is BF%?
9%
I saw it below thx...u have an adequate macros?
Just a FYI you're going to want to double that dose of primo bro. Anything under 600 mg is a waste and should just simply not add it in. I just finished a primo cycle 2 months ago and I was taking 800mg a week of Bayer and I think next summer I'll go up to 1000mg a week... It's expensive to run primo so just be prepared to have your wallet ready bro
RustyhookerYOU DIDNT GET DUDES COMPLETED ANSWERS BUT JUMP IN WITH BRAND NAMES AND CRAP ADVICE????
Hey calm the fuck down and easy on the red rusty. I for the most part give good advice all the time and you know that. The guy is in his 30's and laid out his goals.. Yes I should have asked about his BF but given his height and weight I was assuming it was close to 10% (I know don't assume). I only pointed out obvious points in his cycle that needed to be changed. So calm da faq down
Remember to not only read his post, but read responses as well, tbe responses tell the story that the post does not.
Both of you calm down. Next time just be a little more thorough brother. You need to figure out all his priors , stats and goals and recommend advice according to that man.
Primo for second cycle is not a good recommendation....
Why is that? Not trying to bait you, but it is the mildest of the aas family. I've heard if you don't take enough it won't work and there are some who found results at 200mg per week. Not looking to get freaky looking by any means but solid muscle with ADDED weight. Going natty will drop my weight if i want to be cut and leab. Been lifting 15 years so I've plateau any times and often tweaked diets/workouts which I can easily manage myself.
Only for reason is that its ur second cycle. It might produce great results for u. Methenolone usually does. I just see it used more for shows.
Thanks, will take these suggestions into consideration while I dig deeper in research.
I'll give you props on the guess, bf 9%. Pretty close.
I was wondering if 600mg was too high for a guy only on his second cycle. Everybody responds differently. Wonder how he gained and kept on 800 mg and what number cycle was he on...
I'm well in my 30's and have many cycles under my belt... I was trying to give you honest advice. I just don't want you to have a bad taste in your mouth for the compound if you only use half of its potential. I'm all for cycles no higher then 500mg of test but there's a couple compounds where you have to use more mg to achive the peak performance (EQ and primo)
Sound advice. I know primo is $$$ but money is no object when doing things right. Getting as much info and advice as possible before buying anything. Ever done var? Was thinking as an alternative or maybe tbol let meds suggested
Tbol and provi unbind from shbg...i am sure var does too...adequate macros ratio of protein to carbs thru diet mixed with low dose sustanon could work to help u meet ur goal....
Duration?
RustyhookerGoals and bf. Or hes wasting primo.
Sustanon and provi or tbol?
Edit: plus adequate macros to meet goal..
Bf 9% goals are just to keep lean without too much water weight. But like I said I want to gain not lose. I can get lean but I'll lose a lot more doing it natty. Trying to keep away from orals. But might do var instead of primo. Most likely as a finisher.
RustyhookerLean is foods. Not drugs. Several options but you gotta be straight on what roids do
Honest answer right here. Also claims he gained massive strength on test e that leads me to think he was not training properly to begin with. Seems OP needs to rethink his training and get that corrected before cycling. To get the best out of his cycle he needs to get the best from the basics like diet and training. THEN hop back in here and lay out a goal not a cycle plan.
So true..and keeping in mind, less is more, when it comes to cycling AAS. Imho, its good to be synergistic with compounds in low doses and short esters when combing with the test, too, especially with new users.
Working 15 years + without gear and saw incredible results. Constantly accused of using. I'm no stranger to workout routines that help trick the body after hitting plateaus. But you hit a peak with natural test capabilities and can no longer exceed. That's when the gear comes into play. You cannot keep gaining and gaining being natty over the course of 15+years unless you want a higher bf%. My strength was always impressive but after using test the first time a new energy was released and I could definitely feel it as with most first time users.
That is incorrect, strength always goes up, its size you plateau on. explain the nattys that are 140 pounds and doing 400 pound benchpresses at 5 foot 9.
X2...i am seeing that now with what i have going on...
I rely on strength only when trying to add SERIOUS lbs when training natty. Usually 80% 1rm at higher reps with constant contractions(concentric/eccentric)allows for steady more genuine gains. 150lb guy at 5'9" is not at all my ideal physique. That's a strength trainer separate from a bodybuilder though we all share or dab into each others routines. That includes powerlifters.
Sustanon and provi
Sustanon and Tbol
What if someone should run tbol first 6 weeks and provi last 6 weeks...saw a post while searching for provi. I would think 2 orals consecutively throughout the cycle would be stressful on the liver even the mildest aas
Yep..u will need a liver supp to be safe...maybe double dose it for added insurance. I would like to get some other experienced members opinions on the usage of both with sustanon.
The A:A ratio's of sust as a base along with tbol,then provi, might be good for changing up and keeping the body guessing. The fact that they are mild could be a tolerable combo. But, then u will want to know what ur liver ezymes are doing, especially with the liver supps. I know methenolone aromatizes. The provi doesnt cuz its a DHT, and for that much Tbol has low aromatization rate. This is why diet and sustanon is really the best option along with provi for second cycle...in my opinion. Your goal isnt really mass, so u can control that with caloric/macros intake along with low to moderate dose of sustanon...i need other peoples ideas...
Just edited the post to include that