+ 10 SARMS the NEW PCT? 8 WKS after CYCLE NO PCT OSTARINE CJC 1295 no dac GHRP6 and Ipamorelin
Posting up these bloods to add to what Humpnpump has started. Sarms the new PCT? The jurys still out but maybe.These are bloods from a member that were sent to me to look at. Background is as follows : cycle was bold cyp 200mg @ 3 ×per week so 600mg per week.the test cyp 200 I used @ 1 and 1/4 cc twice per week so 500 mg cyp per week for 20 weeks total.Aromasin was used at 6.25 mg few times per week at eod, from the beginning of week 2 as i used prop @ 50 mgs eod as a kicker and also a taper on this run.
The ostarine this was my first time running it. I began using it 4 weeks before the end of the cycle. I took 15 mg 1/2 cc am and 15mg 1/2cc pm.For a total of 30mgs per day.I continued to run this upon cessation of cycle.
The peptides i began at the same time 4 weeks prior to end of cycle. I used cjc1295 no dac and ghrp6 on days i would do cardio and ipamorelin on the days where it was weight training only. I dosed @ 150mcg. I take it 3 times daily. Early am , preworkout and then in the evening. I also used this past the end of the cycle as well. I am either headed for a crash or delayed the onset of the inevitable as i didnt think the sarm would work to keep test levels in my normal range.I was tested before ever starting a cycle a few years ago and my natural levels were @ 798. stopped the Ostarine the third week of July.I ran it up until the 24. SO the question is will the Ostarine which was stopped 17days ago hold T levels and LH levels are will PCT be needed. He stated he felt great and was keeping his gains. Another thing I noticed is his FSH is out of range. Is this something to look into for those looking to increase fertility? What is causing the elevation of LH and FSH is it the combination working in synergy or just the ostarine? Notice E2 again is low at <15. Let's hear it. What do you think? Bloods were taken non fasted late afternoon. Next blood test in 4 wks hormone panel for males.
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Want to keep everyone updated on this post . OP has lost some water weight and a little fat down about 4lbs.So on 8-14:Just want to let you know im staying the course.Joints still achy and popping but it should balance out soon enough.
8/17Whats up Mega?Ive taken 2 days off from the gym.Joints feel good now, will let you know how it feels back at the gym again tomorrow.Staying the course bro,one day at a time.
8/21Things are starting to smooth out. not breaking out as bad and the joints are not as achy as before.Gains on the otherhand are non existent.In fact im definitely losing size as of late.
Quite possibly could be due to the mental stress of wonder and what will be the end result.Will keep you posted.
So I ask "Dropping weight?" Yes, last weigh in was 202, so dropped 2 pounds. Its more the fullness as clothes i could not fit into a few months ago, They fit now. i would definitely say best to bridge using ostarine and accompany the standard pct protocol.If not for anything else just the psychological factor. "Would you say the weight loss is more fluid or is it in fact muscle?" In my opinion it is most likely waterweight and some fat loss on the abdomen.still eating clean and hitting cardio.My girlfriend mentioned the other day that " my puffiness was gone.I can see veins everywhere except for legs and abs. Definitely a loss of water and some fat for sure
9/8 Hey Mega,
Sorry its been a while!Been away from home travelling for work.Definitely feel like things have balanced out....Still keeping on course.
I will be getting bloods done wen i finally touch home either next week or the week after....Hope you had a good Holiday weekend. "How's your weight holding. Any issues are problems?" Still holding steady Bud....weight is @ the 200 pound mark....body is still leaning out a bit from this fukin heat but other than that all has been well...I will definitely let you kno wen i get bloods ill send them over so you can add to original post!
I'm currently running anadrine, ostarine, and GW that started a month after pct. I'm pulling bloods at the end of August, which will be an 8 week run with this sarm stack. I've been impressed with the results especially right after pct. I will definitely keep you updated on the bloods after I pull them. Interesting research we have on our hands fellas
OK a new problem has popped up caused by the low estro. Any thoughts. From the op.
My E2 was 5.7 while taking ostarine and S4, I thought it was the S4 since it gives a drying effect, but it looks like the ostarine could be the culprit. I sent you a pm on how to possibly deal with the E2.
He's losing the pump and recovery time is slow because he is back to natty. That's to be expected and that's how I feel when I drop the ostarine. I usually start creatine and beta alanine and some no2 supementation to help keep me motivated.
Thanks for the info hump. I passed it on.
I didn't see SHBG levels or free test levels so maybe lowering SHBG may help to free up some more test and in turn help to increase the estro conversion and get him feeling better.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/natural-routes-to-lowe...
I would expect with the normal test level that the body would soon reach equilibrium to balance that out with normal estro levels. Unless he is taking something to suppress the estro, I don't see why that equilibrium wouldn't be occuring, just have to wait it out I guess.
Thanks for the reply Makwa.
The only other thing I can add is that the Ostarine came from the same SRC hump used. Bought in April when they had a promo going on.
Bunk gear that never shut him down in the first place? Were any gains made on this cycle?
I ruled that out. Look at the bloods.Out of range RBC,Hemoglobin, Hematocrit,RDW what you would see with anabolic use. So no.
He used Asia pharma test and Andro Bold. Weight now 204. Said past winter was at 215 and focus of this cycle was recomp and drop BF.
Now we just need more people to run bloods on ostarine and while on pct and see if the theory is correct.
Totally agree. This is sort of like the tren E2 debate. It wasn't until the community started posting bloods that we figured it out..that it was the testing method.
Well I think we can say that Ostarine is a viable addition along with the standard PCT protocol (clomid/nolva) to keep gains while transitioning to natural production.
Now whether it's a stand alone PCT I'm not sold yet.
Ive been sold on SARMS for a long time. You should not only retain gains but I would be dissappointed if additional gains weren't made also. I don't PCT anymore but it is going to take a brave soul to run Osta as standalone PCT though.
RustyhookerHope you and humpnpump can build enough to create pct stickies. Great work you two!
Ostarine shouldn't be effecting LH and FSH in this way and almost certain after 2. 5 week after stopping ostarine it shouldn't have any effect on hormones after stopping. How old is this guy and ask him if he has used DSIP or his cjc could possible be DSIP?
Now we need to find another test subject to get blood done while using ostarine.
What he means by that there is always the possibility the SRC sent something other than Ostarine.
Ok, at least we know he didn't bounce back because he was young lol.
Stats are 6' 210 op and I have been pm'ing trying to figure this out.
I pm'd him to get current stats so now at 204.
rocketballzI can do it but I live in a state where its no longer possible to get bloods pulled without a script, because I am sure this stuff is doing something good man. Keeping gains, NO CRASH!!!
Brother sent you a friend request I can help you with the bloods
rocketballzThanks bro I accepted it
Maybe you can hop over the line to a different state that allows testing.
Just want to make sure. So the only PCT has been the osta and peps? No clomid/nolva?
That is correct. No clomid/nolva. I even ask him if he had taken anything else in the last 3 wks besides the osta/PEPs this was his reply.
I then asked for exact day he dropped the Ostarine which I've listed.
rocketballzSo what was responsible for his full recovery? Couldn't just be the ostarine, peps and otc test boosters could it? Bizarre man...full recovery without the usual meds. And his LH and FSH are firing like hes totally recovered. A head scratcher for sure but it seems like this is cutting edge stuff
rocketballzI'm pct'ing now using the standard Clomid and nolva protocol, but after talking to humpnpump I incorporated Ostsrine as well at 15-20mgs/day. This is only my second cycle and I'm in week 2 of pct, but unlike my first pct, without Ostsrine, there IS NO CRASH with the osta. I Feel great, have kept gains, and feel like I'm on the road to a swift recovery. Blood work in 6 weeks should tell the story but I've gotta say the addition of Ostsrine has made this pct, so far, a breeze. Thanks for posting this bro. It helps everyone.
I have never heard of Osta increasing T levels or FSH and LH. It shouldn't suppress it either, this is why I am an advocate of it during PCT (but not using it as the sole PCT). It will help keep you in an anabolic state and massively help to retain gains. Starting it a couple of weeks before end of cycle and through PCT seems the way to go.The only reports I have seen of Osta being somewhat slightly suppressive is if higher than normal doses are used (above 30mg/d) and/or the cycle is extended beyond 8 weeks. Even if that becomes the case, OTC test boosters are all that is needed for a mini-pct. Very curious to see what the bloods will show in a few more weeks. I don't know what mechanism there would be for the Osta to increase LH/FSH or how it is even possible.
Fuck man bloods look fantastic.. you and hump may be on to something... +1