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I'm just going to come out and say it, some of you guys are starting to be very close minded with your cycle advice. You see something a little out of the ordinary and it's wrong, the op is a fool etc. Quite often you may well be right, but not always. It becomes like a pack of wolves sometimes. Some people see it as hostile and unwelcoming.
Let me give you an insight here. If I created a new account and posted up a cycle I've personally run in the past, some of you would immediately jump on it as "wrong" or "not how we do it". A strong man competitor comes along and hears "must be single digit BF to run gear". Fighter running just halo "shouldn't do oral only cycles". Is everyone that doesn't do it "the eroids way" wrong? Then I'm often also wrong.
There are pros in my gym that I think their cycles are a mess. But guess what? It works for them. So is it wrong? Is "different" the same as "wrong"? Don't misinterpret this as defending some of the lunacy I see, there will always be idiots, and a pretty reasonable quantity of them too. If something is a mess, say so, I will, but be receptive to the op's train of thought on why they're doing this. We're starting to get very closed minded in my opinion, to the extent where OUR learning is hampered.
I think we need to look closely at the way we handle these situations, we ARE driving people away. Some of them will be a waste of oxygen, but not all of them. I still want to learn, I still want my game to improve. Hell I need my game to improve if I'm going to achieve what I set out to do in the next couple of years. What I see day in day out isn't developing, it's standing still. Some of the new blood that walks through the door could be a catalyst, (unintentional pun), to that learning.
So what am I saying? Take a step back, the steroid world is bigger than eroids. Not doing things our way isn't a crime. Disagreeing with our advice isn't wrong. Someone posts a stupid cycle, sometimes you can help them by gently steering them rather than "WTF is this bro?". Most of us has run bullshit cycles, a lot of us have run good cycles and got them wrong. The reality of the world of AAS is there's hardly any black and white, it's 95% grey areas.
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hi ,cat , the angle from where im sitting ;is attacks or furious hostility from a member kills any real participation by rooks or noobs, im one while im here but at 49yrs old ive been places n seen sum thangs. ill tell you nothing hurts like the bite from guys on this site ;but tact is not conveyed through letters ;only words and puctuation and grammar, ive made mistakes here at eroids ,but im only old sckooland just want whip off a quik post or reveiw to keep the game alive , what can a man /woman do so bad that the hammer of eroids comes swift and unforgiving on their fingers. is there a rule that give permissions to keep this site private and closed to anyone new . as a father and husband and a leader i would not take this approach, and i do have a temper but its buffered by patience and understanding,(but never taken for weakness) im not judging the members that have chastised, me i deserved a talking to maybe by not reading the rules,because i offered a poorly assemble rant on a item/sourse/product/or somthing but witty banter and common courtisey among gear heads is a good way to stay open and popular for us all to enjoy the new things concerning the gear and the life we sharehere . just a fresh comment from Ironbull= bruce keep up the good work and get swole =)
StevebWhy?
AnonIt'll always be this way. We are a bunch of juicers. It's a dick swinging contest done with a keyboard ( excuse me ladies) I fight. I keep my weight below a certain number. I keep this in mind when cycling, dieting, training the whole nine. I don't want to weigh 300lbs. I'm glad a lot of you do and I support you in that goal. All that said me or one of the other handful of dudes that engage in combat sports post things relative to us ( unless named Nitti) ( I love u Nitti)......ahhh...I mean oh yeah everybody talks shit. Er'thang ain't foe Er'body yA dig? Stay true to you. While keeping the goal here helping everyone. Not busting balls. Cause in the half these fools is lying anyway.
AnonI was a heavyweight and I wanted to still keep my weight down because I felt it helped my maneuverability and stamina
AnonThat's wtf I'm talkin about. It's all in the name. I know some light heavy that could really get out on some good heavys. Because of that first one you said. being able to move. If you cover distance quickly and move laterally as easily as moving forward. And. As quickly. Your a nightmare. I like using heavy thurst forward punches. Heavy over hand. Superman. Shit like that. This kid timed me and parried and countered so fast I think I goy intimidated for a second. When I could hear and see again. Lol
RustyhookerPerfect insight bro! Now if we can get op and newbs to really open up chat on forums the custom fit cycles....priceless! You remember back 2 years ago where custom fit was just inspiring.
I'm open for ideas, help and pushing to get that chat back open.
And it has to be the members that do this. Viking was great about it but honestly it must have been at the expense of modding because I cannot figure how the hell he would have had time.
RustyhookerViking tried to double dip. He's just burnt out. I'm hyper so I tried to double dip, I burnt out. I've got tons of energy but it's a huge demand.
Hey Darth,
You and Rusty have lost me completely here. What are you proposing? We design unique cycles for each new member?
I do some stuff in PM for sure, but the "cookie cutter" cycles are useful to a lot of beginners - I don't think many newbs come to us with a lot of past experience. Some do but it is no the norm.
GH
RustyhookerOrigionally....yes the cookie cutters are excellent! And definitely hold those into the norm as they're effective even for long timers.
But as I tried to say in my last post and out getting the op to fully chat it up. Build a custom fit for the folks that have 4+ cycles. Bout 2 years ago folks runny the 5-10 range had a nice array of priors. Big and built guys. So right on normal forum custom fit the double shorts to match double longs to tapers with maybe different shorts and an oral.
Today its...hi I'm Bob 25 , 5-7, 195, 4%. Build my cycle.
I'll see if I can find some of the old forums. That was some fun times!! 10 different vets proposing different tweaks or adding in the food chat so those tweaks are fully functional.
I think there's a couple of good points there. "Bob" as you mentioned has become the norm in that category as you say. Unfortunately a lot of the 5-10 cycle folk now will stick to asking on PM. I know the majority of cycle advice I give on pm now tends to be in that category. If they put that out into the general forum they get advice from people that have run less cycles than they have that purely regurgitate stuff. Look at the cycle logs, a big chunk of the advice is from folks that have run 2 or 3 basic cycles.
Would be good to see that out in the open though, just don't know how practical or likely it is to happen.
There is a small fix right there. When a guy asks via pm, say "sure I will be happy to help you but why don't you make a forum post and we can all discuss it". You could reassure them by saying you will only stamp what you believe to be the right course.
And to Gear Head up above, no I am definitely not saying design a cycle for everybody. They are damn lucky to have access to experienced guys to begin with. Truthfully through the search function all the answers are already here, it just makes for more entertainment for everyone to discuss stuff in the present.
RustyhookerMaybe someone has to simply get the ball rolling. Just need to figure out how. When I help a person by pm I ask them to also post it just because there's many ways to skin cats. Last year viking had members build his cycle. Tons of folks popped in there to flex some know how.
Maybe eliminate the cycle logs entirely? Folks that post there are mostly...I'm midway thru...or neener neener crowd. Waiting for cosigner.
Funnily enough I was considering doing something similar to get others to design my next cycle. After the chemo etc I'm at an unusual place with my physique so now would be a good time to give something different a whirl. Might get some individuals thinking outside the box.
RustyhookerIt may sound crazy but designing a cycle for a BIG dude just was always intimidating for some reason. Lol. At 200 pounds it just feels normal to help guys my size. With the mass monsters it seems as talking out of place. Lol
If you saw what I look like at the moment it wouldn't be that intimidating. I look like shit ;)
Don't despair bro. When I nearly died in the hospital with double pneumonia, liver failure, kidney failure and a heart attack in 2014, I didn't quite look like my big and scary self either. LMAO I thought I would never snap back but my trainer didn't give up on me and I didn't give up on myself and now I look big and scary once again.
You will be back to snacking on those delicious 2.5 lb plates in no time.
RustyhookerMuscle memory and your determination. ...you'll be bigger than before. No doubts!
AnonI can agree with this.... My first cycle was the wrong way.... Didn't even have test in it and I gained a lot of muscle... Knowing what I know these days I would not run that particular cycle but.... It comes down to knowing what works for you...... And safety..... That's what matters most
That is the truth Cat, honestly the pack of wolves and cocky ass advice help. You hit it head on. You have always been stand up Cat!
I'm very guilty of this but I will do this from now on. I feel not enough of us run pre cycle and post cycle bloods. I feel most users on here are destined for hormone replacement therapy for the simple reason of not doing a proper pct and not running post pct bloods. If you're a average guy in your 20s and your test levels are around 900 range you don't really need to run test or anything else just run some creatine and see a nutritionist for a clean bulk diet. I looked better in my early 20s just eating right and working out than I ever did using compounds. If your a guy in your 30s 40s and you a sub 300 on your test levels, trt should be in consideration, shit I even feel like everyone over 35 should use go for anti aging. Over 50? Good health, been training for a while, he'll stay on the rest of your life. Now one of the key and controversial subjects here is body fat. I've seen people say “don't use anything if your not under 8 % bf” some people aren't blessed with great genetics. Why can't a user be 15% at 215 use a test prop and var cycle, drop 4% bf through diet and training and finish at 190 11%? If you have been training for over a few years and watching your diet you should be around 14-16%anyway which is a good thing. A guy that's over 20 % bf shows inconsistency in a gym “which is common with how the average American has to work”and an improper diet. The higher the bf, the higher estrogen in sides will be present so don't even consider using aas until that 15 range. Now, if Anyone disagrees and I am wrong for saying what I stated here please let me know and I won't give out advice anymore.
Some of this belongs as a comment in this thread -
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/scientific-proof-lower...
Definitely. I'm surprised I didn't see you in here
It's on my "to do" list. Maybe I'll go there now.
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I really think this forum gotten off track. I like the idea of listening ta newbies and discussing out of the norm cycles but this isn't a bodybuilder site. Bodybuilders make up maybe five percent of the people here. No way should slin or other dangerous products be out in the open. The side some of u are taking, its better to have good knowledge on these things and talk about in open so people know how to do it right. Well let's look at the other side here, u can use something perfect to a t but that doesn't mean it can't still kill u or mess u up. Some people have issues they may not even know exists. Let's say an 18 year kid or younger gets on here and finds the proper way to run slin. Well of course he's goin to be a pro bodybuilder so he ends up in a coma or worse dies. Now the mom starts to look at what happened and finds his eriods account and see he gotten advice here. Do u think it would matter if it was good advice lol. Hell no she would turn this into the authorities and well people get prosecuted for cyber bullying why wouldn't some one get manslaughter helping a kid kill him self not to mention how much pressure this would put on eriods. Everyone step back a moment bc there are kids under 18 here now. U don't know who your taking to this is the internet and giving out info on life threatening drugs like slin,Dnp, or thyroid drugs among others is opening a very dangerous can of worms. I'm all for having open discussion to newbies and some out of the box thinking but having things that can drop u dead out in the open for all to see is wrong and I would seriously consider ending my eriods account bc of it
It has digressed somewhat, definitely not what it started out as! Interesting debate on the side mind you.
I for one couldn't handle or live with myself if someone was seriously hurt or died from what I told them. I would have no issues with more taboo things been out in the open if there's a way to make sure grown men with years of Knowledge were the ones seeing it but there are kids here everyday under 18. It's been proven one had a lot of karma and was only 16 when they admitted it to someone during a pm and thankfully they turned him into a mod. Or guys completely fooling everyone and been total frauds. The pressure eriods could face if something terrible was to happen would be enormous and have no doubt the saying about a women scorned well it's true. If someone here gave her baby advice and he would die well Hell would have no furry like the mom.
Lightening the mood, typo of the year......
Back to serious business, I know exactly what you're saying mate and I don't disagree. I think where I've had my eyes opened a little more is since buying a gym. I've caught 15yr olds with gear, I've banned them. But you know as well as I do they just go to another gym and ignore the sermon I gave them. There's a small percentage of them that listen, but it's small, mostly I achieve nothing by trying to keep them safer her than denting my bank balance. As time goes on, I think that's a pretty fair reflection of society and how it works here. I wish it wasn't true, but I think we're kidding ourselves to think otherwise.
It's the oldest and most difficult debate that's gone on for years, everyone's position is understandable. I've always been on the fence, I still am, but maybe a bit more cynical than I was a year ago. We won't save many of them, someone else just becomes responsible for it rather than us.
StevebThen it's just as bad to have sources here who sell it. People are responsible for their own actions. If they take insulin and die it's their fault.
It's if was the street then yeah, it's not. It's a site governed by rules and regs for reason.
Kill this this now.
That's not how it works. If someone cyber bullies someone and they kill themselves that bully gets into trouble.if a kid died from someone's advice here there could be huge consequences. This isn't cut and dry like u making it out to be. Just bc someone does it to themselves doesn't mean there's not consequences to others. Just recent where I live people got over ten years in prison bc they bought heroine for someone and that person died. They didn't inject the other person but they doesn't matter
StevebYes it is how it works. There are websites that show you how to quick draw a pistol. If I try and do it and accidentally shoot myself in the face it's only my fault. Everyone is responsible for themselves.
No it's not in the court of law Smh. If u was bullying someone and they killed themselves steveb. And the courts thought u was the reason,u wouldn't be free to walk around. This isn't the ole west. Other people actions get others in trouble everyday in the usa. Classic example a 25 year old guy fucks a 16 year old girl. Well the girl told him she was 18 doesn't matter. The mom presses charges guy goes to prison. This exact storyline or something to this extant has sent many a guys to prison.the girl clearly gave consent and it was her actions maybe she came on to him but it doesn't matter. The guy thought he wasn't doin anything wrong but the actions of the girl that lied lead him into trouble
Actually it depends, if the guy is 25 and the girl is 16 it depends on the state. In my state the legal consent age is 16 and two if the girl says it was consensual there's nothing that can be done even if the parents want something. She has to say it was rape. A lot of states still have the old 1800s laws some have consent ages as low as 12 years old as people use to get married a long time ago. But anyways giving someone advice is not like cyber bulling
Your comparing stuff that can't be prepared. There have been multiple guys and kids die from slin show me one article of proof they went and convicted people of the online forum they got advice from. People join multiple forums. They read into from all different sites. If I tell you how to tie a noose to hang yourself and your search history has a dozen other sites showing the same thing. How am I responsible. The feds won't get involved from some kid dieing from slin. It would be federal since eroids members are all over the world. So even the feds wouldn't have jurisdiction in aus Europe Asia etc. So prosecuting someone for advice will never happen on here. This isn't Facebook bullying the people involved are not in a small radius we are all over the us and world. They are not going to spend tens of thousands or more on a investigation to try and get a conviction when any good defense lawyer would shoot the case to shreds. The feds go for air tight cases not maybe ones. They have a 99% conviction rate for a reason. One you agree to be 18 on here and eroids isn't even hosted in america its hosted in a communist country. They won't extridite someone across the country over speculation and circumstantial evidence. And especially the Intl members giving advice. Could you imagine that on the news. Australian man extrididted to the USA for advice given online. It would be a outrage that shit will never happen. Anyone who has died from slin I guarantee never got there info on how to run it from one particular person online it would be impossible to prove exactly whose info he used. When you research do you just ask one person or view one website on the question in hand. I get your point its more of a moral thing living with yourself if something happens. But legal action against eroids or its members will never happen from it. There is a reason its hosted in a communist country and you agree your a adult. And not.liable for info within And there are no cases the precedent this. No one has been convicted from a steroid forum for giving advice that killed someone. Its just like the parents that get pissed off free porn sites are available because the kid agreed they were 18 years old but nothing can be done about it. They are still up and all over and no lawsuits over it
First off this is way off topic secondly,pornography sites is way different than giving advice that can kill people. People have went to jail for cyber bullying and have never meant the person and me giving an example about rape well that similar circumstances have sent a lot of guys to jail. My state if she under 18 well it don't matter. Now look at baseball, steroids had been no big deal till congress thought it was hurting the game all those old guys loved.it's a pressure eriods doesn't need do u really want a lot more heat on here. U saying it can't happen is wrong. What if it was one of the old senators grandson that died? They would move mountains to figure out what happened. Now this is so far off this topic that cat wrote. Btw there should maybe be 5 percent of people on here eriods (if that many)that should even consider using slin. People abuse stuff way to much and info like this is perfect for the advance section of the site. In the real world it's less than one percent of the population should consider running slin. With numbers so so low why blast all that info where everyone can see. So I stated my beliefs and the old they will do what they want doesn't fly with me. This is so far off topic of this forum I'm done posting
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Regardless if it was a senator son and they did a investigation they would find more than one search into the slin or dnp. There would be multiple sites. And like I said eroids is hosted in a communist country that doesn't care for the USA and owns pretty much all its assets. It was put over there as many others to not be able to be shut down. They can bring all the heat they want eroids skirts the rules because they do not sell anything only review labs and brands already established. There is no where ever that steroid advice given online has lead to a conviction or even a lawsuit. If it happened to someone important it would make the news and maybe class steroids into a higher schedule like a 2 or something. But going after a random individual user won't happen. Advise is just that no one makes anyone do anything. Let's take a extreme example, let's say catylist gives a slin dnp protocol and sentor fuck face son died from it. The USA is not going to attempt to track him down and extricate him from europe to stand trial in federal court in the USA for advise given on the internet. The media would have a shit show with that. There would be protest and all kinds of shit. And the country doesn't have to give into the extriditr request. This isn't cyber bulling, this isn't suicide its a drug overdose death. That's no ones fault but the users. Where they got the info from is irrelevant really its all over online and there search history. Someone saying yes I run it this way isn't going to get them landed in federal court. No one purchased the slin for him no one drew it up and then injected him with it and didn't give him enough carbs it was all free choice. Eroids right now has it as taboo subject out of morals not because of legal ramification. All these forums not just eroids are in certain countries to be out of the arm of the united states. To be kept from being shut down. But to each there own you have your opinion I have mine. A legal case on a steroid death will not happen from research or advise given on any bb/gear/etc forum
Everyone entitled to there opinion bro
I enjoy a good debate, I don't take it personally and don't feel my opinion is worth more then the next mans. The cards fall as the will in people's minds on any topic
RustyhookerDebates are good but it's nowhere near the topic. It's same statements repeated for 2 pages.
RustyhookerYou're too good of a dude to dispute here. It's flogging a dead horse with folks having agendas.
Have a great day bro
StevebHis argument would only make sense if there was a way to verify how old someone is here for sure and what their knowledge and experience is on steroids. But their isn't, anyone can pretend to be older or Google a bunch of advanced info and claim it's from personal experience. People here do it all the time like Papaswole or more recently Opticx.
I agree, we will never be able to fully tell how hold someone really is. As knowledge can be googled and we arnt talking in real time. Someone has as long as they want to post back. My opinion on it is information should be available. Show people how to use compounds safely if they are hell bent regardless or maybe try to dissuade them. But its human nature if someone wants to really do something they will. And I see it from the other side of the coin. What if I know the proper protocol or you etc doesn't matter. I tell the guy to fuck off and he goes to another forum and someone parrots him some bullshit he doesn't know what he's talking about and dies. When the proper safest method was available but I didn't give it to him. The info could have saved his life
StevebI see a lot of beginners using Tren and using it incorrectly, like with no test or at dosage that are all over r the place. They will use it whether they have good info or not.
I've seen it as well, another example of why the info should be available to people. I used tren on my third cycle many years ago. and no one was gonna stop me. At least someone guided me and didn't tell me to fuck off your not ready when I wasn't going to listen. I believe info on every compound should be available even if you have to agree to consent again like advanced knowledge section where you certify again. You are over 18-21 etc and this info is for research only and the site is not liable in anyway for the information within. So you agree even if your not a member to see it. Just like porn you agree your a certain age and know the laws in your country and the owner isn't liable for content within
StevebThis is about posting advanced cycles, the only one talking about bullying is you. The question is should we post advanced cycles in open forum. And as far as the law goes all these compound are illegal genius. And kids are not even supposed to be members here. So by your logic why even let sources be here that sell insulin? And shit anything can be dangerous so why even let eroids exist? You being the arbiter of what is safe is illogical. Adults are responsible for their own actions.
Omg are u this dense. I'm giving u examples of how other people actions can get u into trouble. Sorry genius but there's kids here everyday. U haven't brought one valid point to this yet agAin. Your point is roll thinks it's dangerous but adults are responsible from there actions. Hmmmm okay well since your an adult right? Right your an adult so our actions talking about life threatening drugs that can be seen by kids on a open forum is very irresponsible right? So if it's irresponsible and we want to take responsibility for our actions isn't it best to keep knowledge that could kill someone in advanced groups? Seems easy choice to me. Okay here's an example there's kids here they have been caught before under 18. So this kid sees self pics of one of the big bodybuilders and says wow I want to be like him. Then sees the guys cycle well to look like him I need to do this cycle hmmm see where this is goin
StevebOkay so by your logic why even let eroids exist if kids are here and all this can be dangerous?
There are kids here whether u like it or not are they supposed to be here no. There's a big difference here Steve between some guy asking about moon face or pip. Than there is about things that can drop u dead. Seriously one mistake is all it takes and I don't know if u ever notice but a lot of people in this world aren't very bright lol. We all make mistakes everyday but something that can kill needs to be looked at in a different picture. I understand the others point about people are goin to do what there goin to do but me as a caring person and adult shutters at the thought of such dangerous content for young kids to see. My nephew is on the high School wrestling team and he was talking about kids on it using things. I sit him down for an hour and preached at him and at the end he was like wow I'm so glad I'm not doin that. We are all members here and I would hope we care about others as well of the info we put forth. We push guys under 25 to wait for there well being and it's no different about slin, Dnp, thyroid medications and so on. I'd like to think that's what makes eriods different because we do care about others well beings