posted Thu, 07/09/2015 - 17:30
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+ 12 Test Levels - 8 Weeks on Organon Sustanon
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I offered to get bloods done for Naps using the Organon Sustanon that was provided. My Test levels came back at 3,800+ during my 8th week at 750 mg's per week. I was doing 1/2 ml injections 6 days per week along with some high mg Tren from another source. I had bloods drawn in the morning the day after my last pin. I've had good results from the cycle, so I'm not complaining.
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throw in some test prop call it a day..
Ok so clearly these numbers are not good, but why did the orginal poster not say anything about how he felt? Maybe he didn't feel anything at all? I think it's important to mention if you had insane sex drive, massive strength increases, sweating like a pig etc etc.
Just got around to seeing your post. Let's put it this way. I felt as good, perhaps better, than I did running another top Domestic source's Sustanon at the same dosage in my last cycle. I've actually had better gains this cycle. I'm also running Swole's Tren A at 100mg ED, so honestly it's hard to say what to attribute to which compound. Libido has been great, but a little lethargic which I've always experienced when running Tren beyond 6 weeks or so. I'll be posting more bloods in the future on another source Test at slightly higher dosages so I'll have a better baseline for my levels after that. Thanks for your feedback.
rocketballzTo say clearly these numbers are no good is just plain wrong. With a test level at 3800+
I'm Guessing he felt pretty damn good but the OP can respond if he wants to. Everyone is different and with the mix of esters these numbers aren't bad at all. Maybe not as high as one would like but if you can't build muscle with a test level of 3800+ then you're doing somethjng wrong.
Agreed. If you look at bloods that P2it2P pulled using the same dosage for 8 weeks, his levels were higher. But 10 weeks prior to that he had bloods done on another source's Test that were significantly higher and according to him he felt no different and was experiencing gains of the same magnitude.
I am sitting on a bunch of this as well. Good to know.
When you run it, I'd love to see your results if you get bloods drawn. Thanks.
Just come off sustanon and para (others) I am debating what the next run will be, if I do run the organon I will.
Thanks for posting the results
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I would expect ~6000ng/dL at least from 750mg/week. And considering your serum T level, the AI doesn't seem right or you just got lots of aromatase.
I was on Test-E 900mg/week and pharma Exemestane 25mg ED. E2 level never exceeded the reference range.
Anonthose numbers are right where id expect them on 750mg.... I just pulled bloods on 1G of test and came back at 4794 which is exactly what i expected considering 200mg of pharma cyp puts me at 1300
What?
200mg -> 1300 = 6.5X and then on 1000mg you expect 4.8X? How is that right? 4794 on 1g is terribly low.
Anonim not even gonna waste my time lol
That's fine. I'm just saying you're probably pinning like 600mg/week in reality.
I think what he's saying is you can't compare higher doses to the Test levels on a linear basis. Because each additional unit want equate to the same absolute vale increase in Test. I think that's what he's indicating. Also, I'd be hesitant to try to compare Test E reading to Sust readings since you're talking a mix of esters. Also the individual's receptivity comes into play. Anyway, thanks for the feedback!
Finally someone says it I would hug u if I could not everyone responds the same to a certain dose pin 200 mg of Watson test cup 1 a week for 6 weeks check your levels then and then only do u know we're u need to be at I'm only at 800 on my trt script from my doc on 200 mg test cup out of the pharmacy must be bunk right? To many know it all's on here and truth is they don't
Spot on..
Anonive taken pharma test and got bloods done....
How bout you take 1G of the Test of your choice and get bloods done then get back to me
I will get them done on 1.2G in a month or so.
You say pharma Test 200mg put you at 1300, this is 6.5X. And then you take 1000mg, and it put you at 4794. Why would you expect 4794 and not 6500? Really confused what your logic is.
Yet another under 25 running stupid amounts of gear and blessing us with his knowledge..smh
Anonbecause it doesnt work like that just because you get 1300 off of 200mg your not gonna get 2600 off of 400mg thats not the way the body works
It definitely isn't a linear relationship like you said.
rocketballzVery true. It's entirely individual. I wish it were as easy as 1+1=2 but in reality it can be quite different.
AnonI mean realistically i care more about free test anyway.... most TRT docs dont want you over 800ng so cmon if you cant make gains at 3000-5000ng your not doing something right!!!
Not sure about everyone else's experience here, but your total test numbers for 750/week of sust should be a bit higher. The numbers shown here are what should be expected of 500/week of enathate or cyp by week 5-6. This would actually be the low end of that but still acceptable.
About your e2.. Some guys like the higher end of the threshold for the added size. Personally, I prefer to keep the water retention and other estrogen-related sides to a minimum. So i tend to keep my numbers in the lower 30's to upper 20's.
Is it fair to judge sust numbers vs cyp or enth. I wonder if those shorter esters in the sust are being shown in the tests given they don't build up like the longer esters and are essentially in and out of your system due to the short half lives.
Let's take into consideration that he's pinning 3 x's a week, at least he should be. Yes, the short esters have different half lives, but just because they were combined with longer esters doesn't mean they're half lives are shortened. They are still present and still have a compounding effect. You guys may be used to these lower numbers but they are low for the dose.
Thats about where my labs came back at. Honestly im done trying to figure out whwre Sust levels "should" be. Looks like there is just too many variables to get a benchmark type number. Def glad to see the GP Aromasin looks like its doing its job. +1 for keeping up your end of the bargain.
P2i2tDefunitly a difference between ours huh? But not too suprising at all tbh. First off definitely remember that everybody responds to everything differently. Second off it may have something to do with the fact that our punning protocol was different. How long after your last pin did you pull your blood work? Did you do it on your one day off a week you took from pinning sust? Did your one day off fall anywhere within the past 3 days before you pulled? Many factors here to look at he will probably never figure it out to be honest lol but regardless thank you for keeping your word bro. Our word is all we have! I'm doing a couple little experiments now running different types of sustanons from different labs and plan on doing blood work on couple different versions of these sustanons and seeing which versions and mixes I respond the best to. Going to take a bit but it's a little personal experiment I set up for myself. +
Thanks for the feedback! I pulled after 3 days of shots and within 14 hours of my last injection. I'm going to be running the Test 450 from Noble this fall which is a Sust of sorts. I'll be using 900 mg's per week and will be pulling bloods from that in week 8. So that'll give me a better indication of my own responsiveness to Test. So I'll post those as well but that won't be until sometime in November.
Thanks again for the feedback and for your participation as well!!!
Your estro is pretty spot on, what A.I. did you run n dosage? Thanks for the bloods bro
Edit, saw your response below thanks
Thanks for the bloods... Im planning on giving sust a run... What AI were you taking and what dose? +1
I was running GP Exemestane at 12.5 mg's ED. I've upped my dose to 12.5 mg's 2x per day as a result, but I'm not overly concerned given I'm just slightly out of range. I am very prone to high prolactin from 19 Nors so maybe I'm also more susceptible to high estrogen from test. I dunno, just thought I'd throw that out there.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thank you for the bloods
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Not impressed with that Pharmacuetical Sustanon probably not even real pharamacy grade
It'd be nice to see some mass specs. Interesting that P2iT's results came back about a 1000 higher at the same dosage. Maybe there's a certain amount of individual-specific receptivity to it. In any event, I'm not complaining as I regularly see guys say their bloods are usually 10x higher (or whatever) than the dosage, yet oftentimes when I look at their profiles and pics they've actually accomplished very little with respect to their physical development. I dunno, just saying.
Thanks for the feedback!
Our bodies are genetically specific in how they assimilate different things, hormones included. The difference between assimilation of something and testing levels is this:
Assimilation means making use of. My body may or may not make as much use of the present amount of testosterone as yours or the next man. This could be due to genetic factors. However, plasma concentration does not necessarily play a role in the degree in which my cells make use of the hormone.
Let's use an analogy of a cup full of water and a person drinking with a straw. The cup would signify the blood and its capacity. The water would signify a substance like testosterone. The person drinking would be the cell trying to assimilate, and the straw would essentially be the receptor allowing for assimilation.
If I fill this cup with water (test) and begin drinking from a small straw, what happens? Well, I start taking it in, of course, but I do so at a much more gradual rate that I would with say a bigger straw. Agree? But what about the levels in the cup. When I started and the cup was full, I still had a full cup. The amount of water in the cup didn't affect the rate at which it was taken in through the straw. Regardless of how fast or slow I took the water in, the level remained what it was at the given time.
This is what happens when you run serum testosterone panels. The total amount present is what is being gauged. Assimilation doesn't play a role because even bound test is still measured in the total serum panel.
Great explanation and thanks for clarifying that. That's a great analogy.
Id expect more from pharma something's off
But thank u regardless most of us have been waiting on these to come forward
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Not a problem. Glad to contribute where I can.