posted Thu, 02/12/2015 - 12:41
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Rotating orals throughout a cycle
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Ive been playing around with rotating my orals at the end of this cycle. 2 days on and then rotate. So far has just been dbol, var, and winny. I was considering of throwing in a couple of days of A-bombs lol. Have you guys tried this before? I like it and it keeps my cycle interesting which only consists of test and these orals. I didn't use any orals until a week or so ago. Two weeks left on.
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RustyhookerEasiest way to know is getting bloods done often thru cycle. Like every 2 weeks. See at what level things start to turn then drop and clean out system. To me it sounds overkill but bloods and results tell you how your body is reacting.
I just googled rich piana, huge dude!
I don't see any reason to do this unless you were doing a prep or a bulker. For example if you were contest prepping ive seen kick start orals and a finisher and ive seen two stacked at the end with orals like winny,oral tren, halo, anavar , it IS harsh on your liver but prep in general is hard on everything. Ive also seen kick start orals on a bulk and a finisher like anadrol , dbol , super drol etc. I honestly don't care for orals as they interfere with my appetite and liver values and food matters so I don't bother, contest prep your meals are small and portioned so I could see it there depending on your level on the food chain and experience in the competing department. I personally take more than half of what rich says with a grain of salt..... I take others who are established in the industry for the things they've achieved, rich is more the freak show of the industry , kind of like greg valentino was.....
Oh come on. Don't compare Rich to Greg V lol. I wouldn't say they are close to the same type of person. Rich is a true monster and Greg looks like an experiment gone wrong.
They're both the same , neither compete anymore and got carried away with synthol , theyre the freaks of the industry.
Both fit the "experiment gone wrong" moniker. All in the eye of the beholder I suppose...
What I am curious to know also is if you experienced better gains doing it this way compared to just running 1 oral for its course?
What I've noticed is that my water retention is much lower than using dbol alone for instance. It seems like the dbol will fill me out and then the var/winny will harden me up....and thats just in the two days I'm on each one. I actually think going 3 days in a row may be better. I'll try that next cycle.
Sounds like it is working for you which is great.
I don't know I would rotate them that frequently. I could see going maybe 2wks and rotating in another one, going 2 more weeks and rotating etc. You just don't hear to many people doing it that way. I think that stacking them, albeit at lower individual dosages, and running them for a full course might be more effective.
I rotated drol and dbol, 2 weeks/ 2 weeks, during my last bulker. Honestly, the only difference I noticed was how much better my body responded to the drol than the dbol. Nothing revolutionary happened.
Yes, and testing which compounds work best for me is an added benefit.
Sounds like you watched one of Rich Pianas videos....
You say that like his videos are a bad thing? Anyone who has seen him knows that he has successfully done this for a LONG time and has the body to back it up. I'd love to see pics from people who trash Rich.....
I didn't say it like it was a bad thing, I said it sounds like you watched one of his videos...and at what point did I trash anyone? I wish I could have accomplished HALF of what he has, that's a fact. Don't jump to conclusions bro there's no insult in anything I said.
Edit: did this method work for you, I am legitimately curious if there is any merit to this concept.
I didn't say you did. There are tons of people who trash Piana on the Internet and they end up having no physiques themselves. I wasn't saying you specifically.
This is true. Despite how someone feels about him you have to have a level of respect for the results no matter what.
He seems to know what he's talking most of the time. Except with pct. He just bridges with hcg and recommends that for everyone, calling it "taking time off" for a month or 2 or 3. And he isn't as strong as he looks, he lifts just for size. Saw a video of him lifting with a partner 1/4 of his size lifting heavier weight more easily. That's all good for his goal, just doesn't make sense to me. I don't see the point of being huge if you're not that strong. Just deceiving. Second part of this rant is just my opinion and irrelevant to the conversation...
Are you talking about mike o'hearn? That guy is a strength freak though.
I don't know, he's pretty strong man I watched a video of him doing skulls w 225lbs on the barbell ...that's pretty damn badass if u ask me
lol yeah i didn't really buy into this one. i can never really tell if rich is just making shit up or not. like another vid he said he ran primo 400mgs a week for 8 weeks, got no results and he decided primo is a shit drug.
All steroids bind to androgen receptor ar, every steroid also binds to diffrent receptors, er gr pr. So they all have multiple pathways to cause growth strength сила fatloss via diffrent binding strengths to the receptors and manipulate очень very important enzymes that cascade to other pathways affect gene expression. So in terms of maximum effectiveness via multi pathways, stacking and switching compounds would be most effective. The average juicer wouldnt see a signicant change but an advanced bb would notice. Now the saftey factor of this method isnt the safest because this increases risk to more variety of lipids, liver enzymes, kidney damage etc.
And you hit the nail on the head there that most are missing.....activating the various pathways that each individual drug work on to provide a more synergistic effect. Anyone with experience knows that drugs will reduce in effectiveness over time of exposure. So switching it up makes a lot of sense....provided you have a nice stable test base.
Exactly those pathways arent just limited to just ar binding. The enzymes that are responsible for their metabolites contribute to the anabolism and bind to diffrent receptors. Like halo binds horribly to ar but is converted to very powerful metabolites via 5ar. Anadrol binds horribly to ar yet produces one of the best anabolic responses and blows you up fast.
If anything ive actually noticed less sides....probably from not running the dbol every day and getting those breaks in with the var. I'm not sure why you think this would be more toxic than running just one of the same oral. If anything it would be less as there is less mg of 17AA orals in the mix.
I woud assume it be more of a shotgun approach to different targets, like drol with 11 beta enzyme(blood pressure) winny with lipids, dbol with aromoatse. With just one androgen like drol you dont need an AI but dbol you probably do. But then again the dosing is less per androgen so it could have more mild affect. Also different 17aa orals are metabolized diffrently and some affect liver more than others despite having one methylgroup. I love learning about this shit lol. How are your gains though compared to the standard method? Do you notice a significant diffrence?
Your lvls , are on a rollercoaster ride brother , I cant see anything good coming from it , the whole point of running any aas , oral or inject , is to build lvl to there peak to get full benefit .. so imo, I see nothing positive in this ,..
That is true with injects. Orals not as totally solid. Many can be used as a preworkout as long as you have your nice base of inject going on.
Nice , I kind of stay away from the orals anymore , but I learned something new . Ty and good luck
I don't think they'd have any appreciable affect after running each only a few days. I tend to notice some effect after a few days but not any real gains until 1.5 weeks then they roll in until about week 4/5 and stall. That's usually when I take a few weeks off then do it again with a different oral. Not the answer you were looking for but thought I'd put my two cents in