Test E, Tren E, Mast E cycle dosage question
I know this has been asked a million times, but after reading thread after thread I'm starting to doubt my cycle details. My plan is to cut up as much as possible. I have 3 similar cycles under my belt but using short esters (Cut Bled, or Prop, Ace, and Mast). I ran the short esters at 1:1:1 ratio. Since this is my first go at the longer esters I have a few questions.
Should I run a 1:1:1 ratio on all three?
Should I run test higher then tren? (I heard it amplifies the sides)
Should I run tren higher then test? (I heard it minimizes the sides)
This is what I was planning on running:
Test E - 500mg/wk (15 weeks)
Tren E - 400mg/wk (15 weeks)
Mast E - 400mg/wk (15 weeks)
Anavar - 40mg/day (6 weeks beginning of cycle)
Winny Oral - 50mg/day (9 weeks end of cycle)
Clen - ?mcg/day (not sure when to run this)
So, any suggestions, recommendations?
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AnonWould interesting to see 300mg test e and 600mg each of tren e and mast e. Var the last 6 weeks, but dosed a bit higher. Maybe 60mg/day.
Also edit your posts talking about specific brands, its not allowed in open forum.
Fixed.
I'm honestly leaning towards Juicebox's idea. I tend to respond better on lower dose for longer cycle rather then the opposite. I am also thinking of just swapping the var for winny and run that the entire 15 weeks.
Any thoughts on the clen? Obviously it would be toward the end of cycle. I heard it's the devil with the sides and all, but I already bought it so you know how that goes...
Winny that long. Your poor liver. And your lipids will be screwed.
AnonThat sounds good, you know your body best and how you respond. I would still be interested in 2:2:1 ratio of tren e:mast e:test e. So maybe 400:400:200 would be a more moderate dose. I wouldnt run winny for 15 weeks, I think thats too long for an oral. And I didnt really like winny so im biased to using it. I get so much more out of var at comparable dosages.
Clen wasn't as bad as everyone made it seem. 2 weeks on/2weeks off, repeat. If you start the dosing low and work your way up its not bad. Worse side I got was the shakes, but that shit leaned me up real quick lol.
Agree...X2 without orals or clen...along with proper DA, AI of choice, BW pre, mid and post cycle, diet and regimen...imo...
I was also under the impression that tren should be run at a 2:1 ratio to test (or vice versa). He'd be looking at a total dosage of 1500mg/week (less the var), which if too high could be brought down to 1250mg/week by doing 250 test, 500tren and 500mast.
I do believe I've read on these forums not to run anavar throughout the entire cycle, but I also recall reading (I believe other forums) that it would synergize well if it was run the entire cycle. Can you clarify this for me?
AnonI dunno, the longest oral I ran was var for 8 weeks, 70mg/day. Didnt have any problems, but thats the longest I have gone. And nowadays 6 weeks is probably the longest I would go, or less depending on the compound. I really think the law of diminishing returns comes into play with extended oral steroid use.
Thanks for the response, but as always it's just an assessment as you were fine, but person B might not be on that type of dose. I also don't think he'd exactly need the clen of he's doing var as he's already got tren and mast in there.
I'd second and add that the law of diminishing returns comes into play with any steroid use, but I know that others may disagree.
AnonTrue, just because my bloodwork came back good (liver, kidney etc) doesnt really mean shit to anyone else lol. Probably wont need the clen but if he's gonna run it I thought I would try and cover all of his questions ;-P
I hope he comments back soon so we know what he ends up planning on doing. Lot of good advice in this thread, I love these kinds of threads lol.
But of course I'll come back. Really good input from everyone. So the new plan is this:
Test E @ 250mg/wk (only because my gear is 250/ml so that makes it an easy split 2 times per week)(15 weeks)
Mast E @ 400mg/wk (15 weeks)
Tren E @ 400mg/wk (15 weeks)
Winny @ 50mg/ed (last 8 weeks)
Clen (last 8 weeks 2 on 2 off which would make it 4 weeks)
Aromasin (12.5mg/eod but will up if needed)
Prami (0.25mg/ed but will up if needed)
PCT (Clomid and HCG)
I'll post up before, mid and after pics for you guys too. I really gained a lot of fat since being out of commission/lazy the last 8 weeks or so. Thanks fellas!
AnonHave you used prami before? I've seen guys start at that dose and still get sick, so they start at half that dose (0.125) and work up from there. But if you handle that dose fine then disregard
Also curious as to why you chose 15 weeks? And you might want to look into torem for your pct as well.
But overall I like the setup, just had those couple concerns in my head.
If you take the prami before bed, you can reduce most of the side effects Tht are associated with it.
I also think cut it back down to 12 weeks as standard, and drop the clen and winny. Test, tren, and mast will do you plenty good, but I suppose I now understand why he'd want to run for 15 weeks (the mast). Remember to drop the tren 2 weeks prior to ending the test!
I chose 15 weeks because of the 3 week ramp-up due to the long ester. So in my mind it's actually 12 weeks of progress...lol
I have never used Prami, but I am aware of the sides even at lose dosage. I will in fact start at .125mg and ramp up from there as my body adjusts. Who knows, maybe I might even stay at the ultra low dose.
I'll check out torem as you suggested. Never even heard of it...
I wouldn't extend it to 15 weeks because of the ramp up... Just use a kicker or frontload it.
Kicker as in something short ester like ace and prop for the first three weeks? I was actually considering this...
Exactly. Using prop for the first 3-4 weeks while the long esters stabilize.
juiceboxx1212IMO.... You have it close. You want to run more tren then test because your receptors will fight each other for it..as far as your mast I would keep that at a 1 to 1 with the test dosage. I think it should look something like this based off 400mg tren e. Oh yea as far as the car I would either just run it throughout the whole cycle or drop it all together. If you do that then I would drop the winnie.. Dont wanna dry out all your joints bro.
Test e 300 mg week
Tren e 400 mg week
Mast e 400 mg week
Var. 40 mg split am/pm - throughout cycle
juiceboxx1212Shit.. My bad..What is your age?? You need to fill in your stats bro!
I didn't fill out my stats due to privacy/safety issues, but at the moment here thee are:
Age: early 30s
Height: 5' 10"
Weight: 215lbs
BF: 14%
Diet: very clean
Just started lifting after a 2 month hiatus due to injury. Have about 10 cycles under my belt. 3 with tren ace.
How bad was the injury? You don't exactly want to jump back on gear so soon after injury, as your muscle may not fully have acclimated back to the lifting stress yet.
Not bad, really. Had bursitis of the shoulder which was remedied by rest and cortisone injection to joint. No pain anymore and doc says I can start lifting again and to modify my exercises if pain occurs which I already have. No more barbell flat or incline. Only dumbbells.
Light weight lifting more beneficial. U finished with cortisone? U have cardio in regimen?
Yes, the cortisone was actually a one time injection into the joint a little over 8 weeks ago. I no longer feel any discomfort and I have dropped the weight significantly. Cardio twice a week for 30 mins interval sprints. Nothing too crazy though. I hate cardio and instead lean on my diet as the staple to getting shredded.
My last cycle was Cut Mix (1mg/ed) and winny 50mg/ed w/out any cardio and ended up getting the leanest I've ever been 9% BF. Just maintained super clean diet. I just hated being a pin cushion at the end of the cycle which is why I got the long esters this time around.
Like your cardio regimen....sounds like you have diet down....
What is your age? Weight? Stats? BF%?