Some issues at week 5 of prop/var cycle... need some help
Hey bros running into an issue I've never had before on cycle and was curious if anyone could give me some input. I am 28 and this is my 6th or 7th cycle. So my cycle has looked like this so far:
Week 1: 100 mg Test Prop EOD
Week 2: 100 mg Test Prop EOD
Week 3: 100 mg Test Prop EOD + 50 mg Anavar ED
Week 4: 150 mg Test Prop EOD + 50 mg Anavar ED
Week 5: 150 mg Test Prop EOD (DROPPED THE VAR)
So my issue is that about a week into running the var I was starting to notice my libido dropping and my nuts and right side (like where my liver is) felt sore. I tried upping my dose of test prop to see if it would help and it did not so I have temporarily stopped the var. Still running 150 mg prop EOD and libido situation has not improved dramatically. Everything still works but libido not feeling anywhere near where it normally is on prop. It is feeling about average to below average for off cycle. Nuts still sore but liver feels mostly better.
Also, I ran another 12 wk cycle of prop 100 mg eod earlier this year and for PCT did:
first 2 weeks: clomid 50/nolva 50 and last 2 weeks: clomid 50/nolva 25. I felt fine after PCT for the most part didn't get bloodwork done though. Maybe only waiting a month to start new cycle was not long enough?
Has anyone had this happen before? Is my estrogen potentially too high? Should I get some adex and HCG to throw in there? I'm a little concerned so any help would be appreciated! Also, I was really liking what the var was doing after 2 weeks and would like to get back on it to finish out cycle if I can do it without issues.
Please help I want to get libido back to where I would expect for dose of test I am on... Thanks!
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muhammad ilyasi usually have stomach cramps and discomfort when i take orals on an empty stomach. but the situation you described here seems different. Since most of Var is made by underground labs, there could be some contamination occurred while preparing the tablets like bacterial, dust, heavy metals, plastic etc. any of these contamination could be the reason for liver and nut soreness. i would suggest first try a different brand of Var if u still want to use it. Regarding your libido situation, i think ur prop is under dosed because Var does cause HPTA suppression and after using var u suffered suppression which couldn't be compensated by prop (seems highly underdosed). So my suggestion would be to change the brands of Var and prop and ses if the probs are solved. hope this helped. Regards
m3allemif your having stomach cramping i've had that on orals too Tbol , Dbol , and var always give me stomach problems to avoid that problem start with a very low dose and progressively up it every week take your pills in the morning after a big meal don't take them throught the day you're going to make your liver work all day long and have cramps . and also time off is supposed to be time on cycle + pct = time off
hope this helps
m3allemi know about the purpose of splitting them in doses throughout the day i didn't say they're more effective if you don't split them i said you won't have stomach cramps ,some people like myself can't tolerate orals and have bad stomach cramping and i tried everything and the only thing that worked with me was that .
So don't use orals then. If this is what you have to do, you're wasting your time and money trying to include them in cycles.
You carry on doing that and stay at 180lbs forever!......... Half lives is THE name of the game my man........... USE them or ABUSE them............. your choice.
Bad advice dude. get educated!
Do you know why we split orals up throughout the day? They generally have s half life of between 4 and 6 hours. I suggest you go and read some more before you offer any more advice here.
Not taking time off I see. You've come off, pct'ed, gone straight back on again pretty much. This one here below you detailed as your 4th cycle.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/on-pct...-pos...
Now you've done 6 or 7 cycles, 190lbs at 5-10. If that's true, you're getting it wrong.
Ok my bad maybe this is 5th or 6th then... yes that is what i did i went 30 days pct then got back on... the last cycle i ran before the one i started earlier this year was 2 or 3 years ago... also not bodybuilding using for other purposes where my weight needs to stay fairly low... also large portion of previous cycle I was rehab-ing some injuries so gains were limited.
So I'm going to get bloods done... but did I make big mistake not waiting longer to start new cycle? Should I abort now? I started last one in april did 12 weeks, 30 day pct, then back on now for about 4 and 1/2 weeks. I was only planning on another 4 or 5 weeks for this cycle anyway I just wanted to make up for some of gains from last cycle i missed out on because of injuries...I didn't think it would be that big of a deal.
You're a young guy, don't let impatience push you into rushing things, injuries or not. Keep doing that and when you're my age you'll be in a hormonal mess. Time off = time on + pct meaning you should have been off for probably the remainder of 2014 depending on the duration of your last cycle.
Come off now? You're shut down now so I would be inclined to get bloodwork, post it up then let's make a decision. Whatever happens I'd make this a short run, them am aggressive pct and a good amount of time off.
Ok thanks for the help that sounds like a plan... I am going to get bloodwork today.
Will this panel be enough for my purposes?
It tests:
Estradiol, Serum
Luteinizing Hormone (LH)
Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
Testosterone, Serum (Total Only)
Complete Blood Count (CBC)
Comprehensive Metabolic Profile
Ideally want a full hormone panel. Check out the link Rusty posted below.
RustyhookerBlood work asap. Privatemdlabs.com female hormone panel $59.
You have no ai? Using no ai? Liver on just var? Imagination maybe but bloods will show.
Bro, c'mon now. We're not shrinks. Doing a whole post cause you don't think your "libido" is where it should be is borderline preposterous. ED OTOH would be a real problem. Get a blood test and see where your at ASAP.
Need blood work...should have gotten it....