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So I got a question. Me and my roommate were argueing and I was trying to explain to him that being in the gym for hours on end is actually worse for progres but he's under the assumption that your dedication os determined by how long you spend in the gym. . I try to explain you don't grow in the gym but he keeps bringing up his friend who trains for football and walked on To a division 1 school and would be in the gym 3 times a day for 3 hours each. I try to explain bodybuilding and training for athletics are totally different. So I literally have nothing to do, it's summer break, I'm taking one class and the rest of the day I sit around, eat and nap. I do nothing. Right now I do cardio first thing in the am 5 days a week on an empty stomach for. 30-45 mins then at night time I go lift for usually an hour to hour and a half 5 days a week. So since I have nothing better to so all day and I literally just lay around all day, could I be doing more then two a days? I didn't think so but I can't convince him that bodybuilding training is different then training for sports. But prove me wrong, I love being in the gym and would gladly do anything that will help me reach my goals faster. I mean is this not the most ideal situation? Resting and eating all throughout the day and lifting hard and heavy at night.

bm765's picture

i honestly think upping the frequency vs spending hours in the gym smashing a muscle group or 2 once a week is a TON better in terms of results.

yeah overtraining is a real thing but i really think that you'd have to actually try and overtrain to actually do it, provided your nutrition, recovery, and training are even just decent.

but back to the frequency thing, i saw my BEST results training lifts (vs muscle groups, which is kind of a semantics thing I guess but that was my mentality) 3+ times a week (no PEDs). granted the focus was usually on increasing 1 or 2 big compounds, reps were kept high, weight (usually lbs total) was added to the bar each workout (my training layout allowed for this) accessory work was cut back, and I was gaining weight.

I know you know I power lift but I've come to the realization (and again, this is my natty observation, 1st cycle is almost in the works so my opinion may change after that) that size and strength almost always go hand in hand. high frequency allows better CNS integration/reinforcement of motor pathways, more "1st reps" (prob more important if you're using lower reps/higher weight), more opportunities to progress/add weight to the bar, and subsequently get stronger and therefore bigger.

i went from a 315 to 405 bench in literally half the time it took to go from 225-315 (granted I out on 15lbs but still) by benching 3x10 5 days a week, adding a 2.5 to each side every workout (I started the routine with a weight i could get for probably 15+ reps), 1 workset of tricep pushdowns (any small tricep isolation movement), few sets of rows, rear delt stuff, and a few sets of hammer curls.
when I was going after the 315 bench (which when I 1st started wasn't a big concern for me cause i originally began lifting with BBing in mind), I did the whole body part a day split and I'm not saying I didn't get results but when i stopped listening to what other people said and did what I thought made the most sense based on my experience, i saw the best gains of my life on EVERYTHING, size and strength wise (just not very pretty size lol)

chunkypbnj's picture

Damn bro! You brought back some memories of the funnest years of my life. College is fun. Enjoy it to the fullest. As for doing extra work, you could add 30 min of weak body part work. Go for contraction, not weight. Often a weak body part just has poor neuromuscular efficiency. I brought my calves us a ton doing this. Now, instead of off days, I go to the gym and do calves, abs, or forearms for 30 min and get the hell out of there. Never more than 1 body part. Never for more than 30 min. Should work good in your situation.

You could also work on establishing a better booty call list. You should have a rotation of 4 or 5 that you can call at the drop of a dime. I had your 1 class schedule one summer. Had 3 girls. One for morning. One for afternoon. One to feed me late night. Then went home on weekends to my girlfriend. Those were the days.
Live it bro!!!

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irongame427's picture

But ya that's probably a good idea. My calves need a ton of work and so do my abs. I'm doing a 5 day split right now since I'm off cycle but I think when I get back on I'm gonna switch over to this 3 day split twice a week that I used to do. With all the gear and calories it should work awesome for my bulk.

NoWeakAces's picture

Only you know the answer to this. What is your body telling you? Are you sore or tired? Over training, to me, might be a walk in the park for you. Sometimes I train twice a day, depending on the compounds I'm running. I did legs yesterday from noon until 2pm. I did back and bis yesterday too, from 7pm until about 8:30pm. I feel great today. Worked shoulders and traps this afternoon, had a great workout. That being said, my plan is to take tomorrow off. But if I feel great tomorrow, and have a sufficient window to get in a training session, I will. Arnold spent 4 hours a day in the gym. I don't have his genetics.
If you think you could be doing more, you probably could. If you think you're wasting time on the couch, you probably are. If you're happy with your gains, stick with what's been working. Good luck.

skortch's picture

You can always be doing more.

mTor's picture

There is a trainer called CT Fletcher and his whole philosophy is there isn't anything called over training. In order to grow, one must overtrain (tear) the muscles. To each his own, over training is subject to the individual. Yes you can point to studies that say "if you spend more than an hr in the gym, you will lose your gains." Well fan-fucking-tastic for you. My greatest gains in size and strength were when I trained legs and back 2.5hrs each week. I trained chest for 1.5hrs. And I was doing poweifting and bodybuilding hybrid program.
Strength is a product of the CNS. Over training taxes the CNS. So by all theories, there is no way I should've gotten stronger by being in the gym longer than an hr each time I lifted.
I have felt the effects of overtraining. It wasn't because I was in the gym too much. It was because I drank too much caffeine (CNS stimulant) and was stressed out beyond belief (adrenalin being released during stress is also a CNS stimulant). Our bodies were meant to exercise and move objects all day. We are designed to adapt and recover.
What I'm getting at is, yes you can workout as much as you want. If your body can handle it, go for it. Avoid CNS stimulants, sleep, eat healthy and read, don't watch tv, and you'll be able to lift until your hearts content

jansen's picture

I say to each their own. If your gonna train that much then you have to eat and rest enough to recover. In arnolds encyclopedia he talks about spending hours in the gym then laying around on the beach resting and eating the rest of the day. I could easily do 2 a days if I didnt have to work 10hrs a day in the july heat.

ericnonaya's picture

you could do explosive training along side your bodybuilding to mix it up but as far as time on the weights and gym you are dead on. more would be counter productive. instead of cardio do some jumping and sprinting once a week just for fun and see if you can break 5 seconds on the 40 yrd dash! just saying you sound a little bored maybe play some golf or some shit bro. Smile

irongame427's picture

lol I'm really not bored. this kids a total retard and was trying to say pro bodybuilders don't just lay around in bed all day. i mean what could be better then what i do, I do cardio in the am, then sleep and eat all day then lift in the pm. Lift heavy and get tons of sleep and growth occurs when you sleep. So just as i thought this is basically the most ideal situation and way to do this possible.

allday222's picture

That's a great situation to be in brother. Your doing plenty. The last thing you want to do is over train and not give yourself enough recovery time. I really don't see the point in spending 3 hours in the gym when a solid workout can be done in an hour 15 , hour and half tops. Especially if you only rest 30 to 60 seconds in between sets like I do. It keeps the pumps solid and the blood saturating that muscle group. Enjoy the free time my man made, it's a luxury.

humpnpump's picture

No man you are right. I just start my cycle a few days ago and going to put on weight, size and strength with just doing the big 3 lifts squats, deadlifts, and bench same lifts M,W,F workout takes only 45 minutes. I'll put up a cycle log I a day or 2 so you can show him.