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25 years old
I know I did start early but I want to learn from my mistakes!
190 12-14% 5' 6"
Using a carb cycling diet to control bf but looking into hiring a coach so things might change.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/my-detai...
Gyno prone
Going to be 4th cycle
1st test 400 10 weeks
2nd test 400 deca 300 12 weeks
3rd test 600 12 weeks dbol 50mg 1-4
4th was dropped on first week because of eroid friends. It was test and tren a.
Test c 600 1-20
Deca 300 1-18
TBol 50 1-6
Aromasin 12.5 ed
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Dosage help with
Caber
Hcg
Looking to do the perfect cycle here! Plan on competing and need to bring up body parts. Want to stay as lean as I can. I went to the tbol because of water retention and estro problems. I know deca causes water retention but this is a bulk. Never used caber or hcg so I was looking for help with dosing on this. Usually pin twice a week but was wondering if pinning more often would control levels to keep estro down?
Appreciate then help guys! Let me know if you need any more info to help me dial in this cycle!
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When did the 20 week run become normal for beginners ????.......... just thinking outloud :/
10/12 weekers back in the day used to keep me ultra-focused on nutrition and heavy training to pull every last drop of success from the cycle......... because lets be honest, if we fail to stimulate correctly or lack with nutrients to fuel the anabolic environment we create with AAS use the cycle will be a flop.... i believe the 20 week thinking can make people lazy and rely on the drugs far too much because commitment and nutritional knowledge is flawed OR completely lacking.
Blood work would be the best way to see how much you need.. I'd get bloods mid cycle.. if it's high then you're either not using enough or the caber is bunk all together.. if everything seems normal you could try dropping your dose a little.. the less you need the better.. as for pct you might not even need it.. did you use it in pct on your last deca cycle? personally I prefer .5x a week but again you might not need it
if your open for changes then find something that doesnt aromatase. if not no worries its just as valuable to the board when people do their own thing and shit goes bad. Remember we are all teachers in one way or another.
I'd stay on test 2-3 weeks after dropping deca.. then drop that and get ready for pct in two weeks.. make sure you have enough caber on hand during pct just in case you need it
12 weeks but if you're gyno prone you really shouldn't mess with deca at all.. it will stay in your system for quite a while after you stop injecting and you might just lactate.. if there is no stopping you then at least go with npp.. it's in and out of your system faster so you recover natty test faster and if shit does hit the fan you can drop it
are you kidding me? you recommend NPP with long estered test to a noob for 12 weeks? thats worse then running the deca.
I didnt read everything on the thread but I hope someone has advised you not to run deca for 18 weeks natty.
I'm destroyed today, surgery yesterday and last night in hospital so I'm bailing out early tonight. I'll put something together tomorrow for you. Will be based on
Lose tbol, replace with dbol / drol.
Shorten deca (18 wks = big recovery).
Cycle tidy up in general
Eating better.
why change out t-bol for the other options you listed?
Not really a big tbol fan personally Noid, especially in a pure bulker. If I do use it, tend to tie it in with different type of run such as test / EQ due to less water / bloat than the other 2. I don't see a lot of synergy between tbol and a deca bulker. I was thinking a classic drol / test / deca or possibly dbol / test / deca here, shorter than the original suggestion.
Has the op run drol before? I don't believe so from above info. 1 new compound, drol / test / deca.
its in is post. bad enough he wants to run deca and test. fcking dude is gonna be on so much AI for what is it his 3rd run? goodluck to the OP keeping all that stable. I guess itll be a good learning experience.
I didn't see that comment! Guess that's what happens when you've just had general anaesthetic.....
I do hope you mean at least 300 carbs pr meal and not daily......... because if you mean 300 daily your metabolism is on its ass and thats why you got fat.
I believe you can bulk with carb cycling, but you're gonna need to up the calories a lot. 2500 is not enough to bulk. And IMO the cyclea a waste of money your gains are gonna stall by week 12 the lastedt then you just keep yourself shut down for nothing for another 8 weeks.
Now i need you to show me some proof..... and WHY would anyone want to sacrifice daily carb intake on an all-out bulker....... if i slip with my carb intake on a bulk i can drop weight faster than the blink of an eye... that to me is failure through lack of commitment and concentration.
Ya thinking about it logically now it doenst really make any sense. Ive heard of guys doing it who gain fat really easily, But your right you would be short changing yourself gains wise. But a bulking version of this would looking nothing like my cutting diet which is what this is. It would have to be like 300g low days and 800-1000 high days. But theres no point in doing that. Ive found carbs to be extremely important on bulk, like you if i slack on them i drop weight so fast. Best to keep them high at all times.
yeah... once i get over 250lbs 1000gs is my minimal amount to keep the scale going north bro.... then when i tip 260lbs i have to be sure i have something in my mouth every minute of the day or i shit out bad and gains cease..... throw slin in the mix and its like a fkn vulture on carbs and they have to be shovelled in by the tonne lol
Yep. What is it with carb fear at the moment?. When bulking at 250/260, I need a huge amount of carbs to push forward. No amount of gear will change that. Of my 8 meals per day, 7 of them include large quantities of complex carbs.
So true. I can grow fine on 250-300g of protein, but if I only has 250-300g of carbs I wouldn't gain a single pound, I would Actualy loose weight. I need a minimum of 500 grams. That's min, 600-700 is even better. I'm not sure what the fear is, it's kinda like the new "craze". Like how fat used to be feared. People put out these stupid myths and people believe it.
That's so craZy, why do you think it is that guys like yourself and many others at 50+ uears old still have a TDEE of 4000+ cals. And then you have the rest of the population who's metabolism slows down and if they eat over 2000 a day they get fat. My dad for example , he doesn't lift like us but he goes to the gym 5-6 days a week and lifts (like a pussy lol) and does cardio but is maintaining his weight on 2000cals 6'3 210. And this is totally common. Everyone in m family keeps telling me just wait your metabolism is gonna slow down and your gonna get fat eating that much and I try to tell them I know 50 year olds ago bulk on higher cals then me. I guess you just never let your metabolism go to shit?
It must take so much fucking food to maintain a lean 250-260lbs. I get sick just thinking about it lol. I've worked so hard to be able to eat big I'm scared I fucksd my appetite and stomach during this cut. I hope that's not the cAse. Got 4 weeks left of cutting before it's time to start getting big again, and feeling like I'm gonna throw up all day from eating so much lol.
What i advise and try to do with my new bodybuilders now is start them out bulking which is the logical step to lay down mass but instead of coming off bulk and jumping into a cutter which is what everyone seems to be doing these days!... i insist they stay ON bulking for like 18mths upto 2yrs to lay down some SERIOUS FKN SIZE that when cut back you actually see whats been built... i have posted before my guys are laying down 4 stone plus.. thats 56+lbs easily on a long-term bulk.... now thats bulking bro.
Also i insist and believe in very heavy trainkng... not this 1RM bullshit and low rep rubbish... good solid sets with a min 10reps with 2 forced, pyramid weights every set to stimulate the deep slow twitch fibres and induce a deep deep pump to saturate the wrecked cells with oxygen and nutrients..... even cutting use mega-weight to create the gnarly denseness we yearn for with striations that blip and flip even from a breath.... when this package hits the stage its not hard work because hard flexing is not necessary due to the hard, metallic condition created..... the freebie is that fat burning with this type of training is immense because it blows cardio into the weeds.
That's exactly what I did. I just came off a2.5 year bulk. From 130lbs to 220. Now that's a bulk. Been cutting for the last 3 months and I'm down to about 190 right now. I guess I was a lot fatter then I thought cause I'm still not that lean lol. But whatever I'm gonna cut for 4 more weeks then start to grow again. I can't fucking wait I feel so fucking small right now. I might need to run my winter bulk plans by you and see if you can make any tweaks. I plan on adding a lot of fucking muscle this time around.
And you train like dorian. Heavy ass weight and forced reps at the end.
Brought up that way through my apprenticeship in the gym bro..... at first i couldnt bench for shit!.. i built my first pair of pecs doing nothing but heavy flyes..... google a friend of mine "Eddie Abu" he had a bicep tear and had to maintain his giant fkn pecs doing nothing nothing but super heavy pec dec squeezes.... concentrating on the negative is the trick and never ever locking out...... soon as lock-out happens the stress is instantly removed from the muscle..... now with incline benching i never lock -out and that shit feels like Napalm running through the muscle around the sixth rep mark... keep pushing.. not for the "pump" but for the "Burn"... the burn is proof of micro-tears taking place within the Mitochondria.... hit that shit hard with Aminos and protein and the anabolic enviroment created by AAS will do its magic...... GAME OVER.
Rinse and repeat for two or three decades then become IMMORTAL............ like me LMFAO!!
Ya I learned early on not to lock out as it takes all the tension off the muscle. I try to tell other people that but they don't believe me. The only thing I'm lacking is muscle density, i just don't look hard. I guess that come with maturity and time but it makes me look soft and it probably has to do with not working in the lower rep ranges enough. I guess just gotta give it time. But is there anyway to speed up the process? I need that hard look. I hate the soft baby muscles i have lol.
Not really... its a "time" thing bro.... a lot of my younger clients look a lot bigger than me when covered up, but when the kit comes off for a gym posedown its like "holy shit" thats when my maturity shows and the boys just end up shaking their heads..... i very rarely go above 10/12% so everything is on show more or less year round.......... even more head shaking starts when i start drinking pints of full fat milk post workout lol, while they sip on their multi-million pound Eco x fkn super duper rip off cocktails because some magazine said pros use it lmfao!
If your going to bulk it's all about the quality carbs and cal intake... If your gaining to much fat then train harder and longer. When on gear we can train each muscle group alot longer than when we are not. We don't get fatigued like when we are off so TRAIN, TRAIN, TRAIN. Worry about cutting it down later...
Is this cycle still running?... looking at the date of the post it still is bro...........
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/test-c-tren-a-cycle
Cycle / foods contradict goal.
You want to bulk, let's build a bulker and really go for it with nutrition and compound changes.
Bulking compounds with a cutting diet?.. im confused here.
You confirm this is a Bulk plan but that diet is way wrong for that purpose bro........... clarify your thinking here for me please before your run turns to shit.
I'm confused, are you cutting or bulking? If your using my diet I would hVe to assume your cutting since the cals are so low and if that's the case your cycle isn't inline with hour goals. There's aloe better compounds out there that are more tailored towards your goals.