posted Tue, 07/01/2014 - 13:47
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Sustanon......making the switch.
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So I've always used prop/enanthate as my short and long acting tests but I am going to switch over to an equal mg dosage of Sustanon. Any opinions or experiences with going to Sustanon for all your test needs?
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I am yet to try sust just because I haven't come across any certified angus high purity sust, but I wouldn't mind running a simple high dose test only cycle later this year pinning sust everyday to keep the levels stable.
EOD is adequate bro...... im running 700mg Sustanon EOD right now with a cocktail of other matched compounds and everything is ticking over like a swiss watch..... this is my last maintenance Blast before i drop into a full blown cutter.
2800 sust
1200 EQ
1000 deca
400 mast
350 provi
GHRP-6
GRF-1
TNE/DROL- 100/50 Pre-WO only days x3
Like i say its not a full bulk cycle ..... full bulk would be probably 25%-30% higher dosages with a prop shot ED or multiple TNE hits ED with a Drol/Dbol combo ramp kicking into 2on 2off throughout just for massive nitrogen retention to jack on water for raw strength.
Not too complicated of a run... the big planning starts when the cutter begins with that being a high management run with the shorts having to be clock timed shots instead of the easy day pinning with longs... so i have to be really switched on when i start that or it can all go horribly wrong real fast if concentration slips.
Lmao! You make it sound so magical. Yeah, personally I've never run high test. I recall you commenting about a month or so ago in another thread about someone running a maintenance dose of test (200mg/w) with their cycle, and you said something along the lines of that won't do shit for you. It got me thinking, since I was running maintenance test with my tren... Anyway, I bumped up my prop to 100mg/d and the difference is like day and night! I've never ran over 500mg/w of test before, and now, even at only 700mg my libido is stronger than ever, and I feel like I'm carrying more volume now. I guess I never gave test much credit, and usually relied on other compounds to do the "work" -- Which is why in the future I want to see what high test alone could do for me, instead of running multiple compounds equaling a high dose.
Vike I know your a busy man but would you mind if I shot you a pm about some complications I had on my last test, mast, and provi run?
I wanna jump in and ask ya man...this winter I am running a real simple high test cycle with mast and provi, THATS IT. But I have a few vials of test cyp too...I was thinking of adding that to a frontload with prop instead of frontloading with all my sust...what do you think?
Cycle was gonna be something like this:
Wk 1-14 Sust 750mg/wk
Wk 1-14 Mast E 600mg/wk
50-75mg proviron ED throughout run
Obviously I was gonna frontload with sust first 2 weeks at 1500mg/wk...but maybe what I was thinking with the cyp and prop, like this on top of the 750mg sust:
Wk 1-2 Test cyp 600mg/wk
Wk 1-2 Test prop 50mg EOD(175mg/wk)
Idk...just thoughts, any input? Probably kinda goofy?
ive tried to go high dose before i realized far less worked just as good for me and i always feel like dog shit. Migraine headaches is a very serious problem for me on high test doses(right at 2 grams)...I got anxiety sides from EQ at 1200mg/w as well. even deca past 750mg/w made me feel like shit. No way would I try to put them all together. thats some crazy cycle numbers....but i wouldnt mind trying the high dose provi with a 750mg/test dose to see how well it worked out.
Viking is a beast but that cycle of his is not for the likes of me. I have been very pleased on but a fraction of that cycle,lol. Good on you brother if you can handle oils like that!
I'm also a fan of Rich Piana and think he has some legit credibility. He has talked about how sust has been the best test product for him to use as opposed to the standard prop/enan.
The sust will be used by itself. 3 x per week or EOD will be the pinning schedule. This won't happen for at least another 5 months.
Sust has its place, it is hard to run with other compounds if you dont understand esters, when to add or what to run with it. Sust can be ran 2 ways, we'll call it old school and new school, both work well but are a little different. old school is more designed for the unstable levels that you will get if you pin it 2 times a week, a lot of guys that ramped mg's liked this style of keeping the body guessing. and it works just fine. new school is pin it every other day to get as stable as you can, which is what i prefer.
I wouldnt recommend sust if you have any kind of estro issues, it can flare up for a couple days here and there and it can play with your estro going the other way if your running an AI
Wow that explains this flare up its crazy thanks for this no more sust. For me
Anyone have an article on understanding esters. I get the whole premise but I have no idea how to make a chart like some of you have spoken about. I'm running 600EQ and 750 Test E but started off with sust for the first 10mls to get it kick started. Did this even make sense or am I missing the picture.
There are lots of them. Here are two:
(http://www.anabolicsteroids-hormoneknowledge-bigmuscles-drugs.com/testos...)
(http://www.isteroids.com/steroid-esters/)
The software to help in cycle design (that makes the charts) is at:
(http://www.anabolicsteroidcalculator.com/)
you always put a hand out to help, thanks buddy.
If you don't understand esters, then YES..you shouldn't run something like sust...maybe you shouldn't run anything at all if someone doesn't understand esters?
I like pinning M,W,F...I think that works pretty good too. PCT I safely assume about 21 days out from that pinning schedule but I always taper off with a low dose of prop
X2 Sust was the only form of Test that gave me estro flares, but I ran it "old school" as you put it.
Bro, it is one crappy base hormone and get's even crappier when you stack with longs and shorts. Why? U have to see it in a cycle design program graphically to understand how all the sust esters build up and decay and what kind of pinning schedule is required to maintain nice steady plasma levels.
Have I ever used sust as base? Of course I have. Would I recommend it. I just gave u that answer.
Couldn't agree more. Sides a plenty on Sust.
X2. Not sure why anyone would use sust if they had a choice.
Sust is great man...I don't understand the negativity about it
I loved sust when I was younger and it treated me well. I took a break from cycling for 20 years and when I tried it again, it had turned on me. Lots of estro issues and many peaks and valleys. I tried to adjust my pinning schedule, but nothing seemed to work. I was a bit sad, but realized my body chemistry had changed over time and that needed to stick to something more stable.
The negativity about it really shines when you mix other compounds with it an look on a computer screen to see what you have got.
Interesting statement...I see your point and I don't. Me for one have run sust with primo...and I am going to run it this next winter season with mast E.
I like it as a test base cuz I think its more versatile than just ONE long ester or ONE short ester...you can run a variety of compounds with it. Besides that, I like that is gives me less bloat than single long esters. Just my feelings and opinion...we all have our ideas and what works best with our bodies ;-)
I just don't do anything judging on the way I feel anymore. I want to see charts and graphs.
What charts are you referring to? There are no actual medical studies done on the things we do. Having some internet kid make a chart isn't going to tell you anything. Everyone's bodies are different and there is no chart for it unless you are just referring to half life times in which case I don't see the big problem anyway.
There are software programs available today that allow you to create cycles see what the effective hormone doses look like with varying esters and stacks. You can't figure out what the plasma levels of the sust esters look like without software.
An example would be (plug-in to Excel) (http://www.anabolicsteroidcalculator.com/) If you don't have any experience with these tools or have never seen the outputs, you wouldn't have a clue. I don't guess at anything.
That's what in was referring to with half life charts. Since sust has prop in it you would just treat it like any other blend that contains prop IMO. That means EOD or 3x per week pins.
most sust has an acetate ester and some will have a phenylprop ester.
Like Noid said below, the reality and what you "think" are quite different. If that's all you're running, eod is fine. When u try to use it as a base in a stack, there are just far better things than all those blended test esters. It offers nothing.
There are usually four esters in Sust. PCT timing will change also.
Pretty cool man. Thanks!!
ive spent days on these charts. best self education you could do when trying to put cycles together.
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