+ 29 Mast E mass spec (everyone should read this one)
Source (well his better half) told me that this was a small batch and that future batches would be tested before going out.
A quick look at their websites will show that Mast E is back in stock. I'm very curious as to how testing was done so quickly on this new batch.....
I asked Angus to comment on how masteron has been testing in general.
9 months ago I noticed a startling trend with the Masteron Propionate. The quality of all the mast P was spiraling down and bottomed out with tests consistently reading in the single digits. Mast E was still testing very good though. I advised sources to be wary of the Mast P. In the last 60 days the Mast P has started to improve but there is still an incredible amount of poor quality Mast P around and now I am seeing where the Mast E has followed the path of its brother. I know of one particular case of a source ordering a kilo of Mast E and customs for their country got it, opened it, and after a month released it. There was no masteron in it, therefore it was not illegal. I think I can count on one hand the number of good masteron tests I've seen in 6 months. Just last week I had 8 tests for masteron. I can't guess on the cause of this trend but I know I feel bad for the unsuspecting victims.
I'd advise to steer clear of mast E altogether unless it's one of the very few sources who actually get everything tested, but almost none do. Chances are your source doesn't. I realize this puts a large target on my back but I felt I had to warn you all.... this is messed up
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RustyhookerThat's just crazy talk.....
zschlitz1Yah wtf r we injecting lol rat poison
+1 for testing tryptophan Thank you sir
RustyhookerGood to see this cone to a head for resolution. All i want as end user is to grow. Having testers and brewers unite will reinforce eroids drive to keep standards high.
All the source nut huggers need to understand that they are dealing with a damn drug dealer. Plain and simple goth has admitted he doesn't test his products, not even a labmax test so why would anyone believe it is mast in the bottle? Goth has no idea whats in any of his products. If you think the Chinese powder sources don't send out bad powders then you are a naive fool.
For example when labmax was looking for a legit sample of mast e to create their test they ms/gc tested over twenty samples, only alp(karius) tested to be mast e only, strango's brew had test prop and mast e. Anyways the point is mast both p and e have been testing bad all over the place for a while.
I think its incredibly funny that angus is a hero until a source has a bad test. And goth if you feel like angus is lying why not take him up on the offer to send in random samples? Seems like that would be the best way to solve this, meeting up is the dumbest option I have ever heard and I hope angus isn't stupid enough to do that.
NOBODY is testing their products on a regular basis.... Most suppliers are not Testing at all.
hit the nail on the head there.
So meeting up to unite as a team to put out more quality gear is stupid? Cool than you buy from a source not willing to do what goth is to ensure quality control. Secreast out.
Meeting up is stupid. Both on Angus's part and especially on goth's part. Goth isn't doing shit to ensure control, all he is doing is trying to intimidate angus. How the hell is that taking control? How do we know if they do meet goth won't just bribe angus? Again meeting accomplishes shit.
Essentially he has said any test angus performs is bs because goth believes he is in bed with banner. Well the solution to that is easy, goth can offer store credit for people who submit a film of them taking one of his unopened vials, show him pulling the label off and sending an unlabeled vial to angus for testing.
This would ensure that the testing is anonymous and it would prove that angus isn't lying.
RustyhookerBribe us much easier by mail. Just like when you buy gear. No traces.
Boom.
Ok guy so now your solution is stupid. How is got to know that just cause they took pics that that is what was sent? I do see Ur point tho man. I just believe them coming together as a team is best of both worlds. Ur entitled to Ur opinion, just don't shop from him. I myself like that goth and Angus agreed to this. Shows both parties standing behind there product. Than if one or the other is not up to par they work together to fix that issue. I have more faith in both of them now.
Wow
zschlitz1Yah that was crsxy. Goth was a straight dick to angus but Angus was calm n cool the whole time....spoken like an honest man
Yes, I was a dick, but valid points were made on both sides... our goal now is to fix any quality issues...not just for Affliction... but for ALL labs who are at the mercy of raw materials from China...which is all labs.
angusYeah I was pretty harsh too. I apologize for that. Passion baby! We gots it for sure. I'm all for working together though. I think it's a great idea.
zschlitz1I just want good safe gear. I hope y'all unite and start a revolution.
Wanna say thanks to u and Angus. U both had valid points and I'm glad both of u came to agreement that will better this communtiy. This thread was very entertaining last night came me up way later than I should of
Um... You may need to re read this thread. Did he calm down yes, but so did goth. Goth was not the only one who got lippy.
zschlitz1Lol maybe I missed a page.there's like 7 of them
I'm glad you guys came to some sort of resolution. Thanks for the entertainment last night, best thread of the year right here. I didn't even have to turn the tv on.
Loose_CannonX2 was planning on hitting the bed then this thread began. Next thing I knew it was 2 hours later
angusIt was a long night for me too. I could barely hold my eyes open.
Holy fking wow!!
Wow, glad to see you guys putting your heads together for the common good. There has to be a lot of blind faith in this underground world.
Back to the original report...
Angus, is there a steroid compound that falls in around the 434 mass?
Is the big spike around 900 the carrier oil?
You've had a lot of labs run, have you seen many reporting errors in that time?
angusTempers flared, not good.......poor judgment was made for both of us..........but its all about the passion homie. We both are passionate about what we do. I respect that a lot, cause you gotta love a source that really wants to take care of his people. At the end of the day it's getting worked out though.
There is not, Test Decanoate is closest and has a Molecular weight of 442.68, Tren Hex 410.55, Primo E is 414. I think that is all the ones that fall in the 400 range. Test Decanoate is the heaviest steroid and all others fall below that. A double bond can occur that doubles the weight of the ion though.
Typically it is not, we have a list of known weights that are excluded from calculation because they are required in every single one. That being said however, we have opened our scope of weights up from 800 to 1000 to catch double bonded mast e and tren hex and such. Sesame oil has a characteristic spike at 898 but requires another one at 601 to be sesame oil. We do not see that at 601 so I doubt it. It is worth asking the question though.
I rarely catch mistakes, but yes, they do happen. When they are put out here and many people look at them, that is usually when they are brought to my attention. I generally do not even look at the report. I might glance over it for gross errors but I don't sit down and scrutinize them.
I'M HEADING TO BED... MY APOLOGIES TO ANGUS AND OTHERS FOR BEING HARSH AND A DICK....
I HATE SELLING WEAK GEAR TO ANYONE, AND THIS SHIT BOTHERS ME--- I TAKE IT VERY PERSONALLY. I KNOW NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE WERE AFFECTD BY THIS PARTICULAR COMPOUND, BUT STILL.....
I'M GOING WRING THE NECK OF HONG KONG FOOEY IF I FIND OUT HE'S SOLD ME A BAD BATCH OF POWDER.....SHOW HIM WHAT CHOP STICKS ARE REALLY GOOD FOR.
Goodnight all.
I wonder how many people get the "HONG KONG FOOEY" reference.Lol
angusGotha and I have chosen a unified front. We will work together for the betterment of the end-user.
Mr KfizzleSo does this mean Goth gets the 100% quality now instead of Hulk? I'm just joking seriously, but u see my point right.. based off of Goths argument.
HahHaha.
Exactly.... EVERBODY bennefits.
Angus and I will work on providing a foundation of trust... dinner is set for sometime next month... surf, turf...and oil.
angusI do like oil. :-)
im glad you guys worked something out, sounds like it will be a good thing for everyone.
Glad to see you guys worked it out.
angusMe too. He has a very valid point though. How do you guys know that this is real? I guess if I'm gonna trust in someone it might as well be an Ex-MOD. He's always been good to me, never banned me, and I love his business ethics. So hopefully this becomes a two-pronged assault on the ripoff artists.
^ great
MilKmAnangus should just accept the offer.... not like goth is going to meet up with him anyways. It's easy to make a claim like that knowing the other party won't take up on it.. I mean who in their RIGHT MIND would meet up and risk their freedom/safety for some petty illegal shit like this.......Lets be real.
goth is in a pickle regardless if his product is on point or what the "test" says. Saying lets meet face to face doesn't prove anything either... I'm surprised he took this approach
I have met other members from eroids...it's not like we are having dinner at his house...and my offer is in everyones best interest...woud love nothing more than to have a reliable and accurate testing source and will be willing to help establish Beeker and Angus in achieveing such...but nobody can expect everyone to just blindly accept images that can be googled or better yet, taken right off this site and altered.
And by the way, I'm in no pickle...eroids-based customers are but a small part of my revenue.
Im troubled as of lately a lot of mass specs are coming back just terrible. whether or not its just crap raws or fudged specs. i just want to find a lab that puts out high quality and stick with them and not have to worry where the next cycle will come from because of SRCs potential pour quality
And if these things are accurate then we need to have a little talk with a certain country that supplies almost the eintire U.S. with raw material for steroids...including big Pharma.
angusTHAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN! I've actually been researching Chinese manufacturers and it is amazing how few actually synthesize the hormone from the Mexican yam. All others are just resellers. I have contacted 11 different "manufacturers" for copies of their Qa/Qc procedures and half don't respond and the other half telling me that it's ok they have customer feedback that proves their gear is legitimate and I should not worry about ordering. Of course I am not a customer but what a shady deal.
Question please. Can I send 1ml of 3 different oils? And do it blindly not say what it is??
angusOf course. 1/4ML is better though.
Ok I will send a pm tomorrow! Thank you..
Then that makes them just as complicit as any scam artists---although I like my chineese source..but he can be lied to just like anyone else...maybe thay are fucking him too.
Mr Kfizzle^basically. but i am kind of learning somethings too though
Mr KfizzleWhat have you learned so far??? I sure haven't learned much except it only takes half cc to send in for testing and I thought it was a full unopened vial.
well now i know you only need 1/4 a cc haha. But also about banner about to be putting out a line of 100% pure raws which may have some kind of connection with the testers. Kind of sketchy