posted Sat, 06/21/2014 - 09:34
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This is just a general inquiry. I think most of us experienced users have a good idea of how each of our bodies responds individually to working out with some pip.
Just wondering what kind of experiences and suggestions are out there. For instance, short of a temp, noticeable inflammation, and/or redness in the area, do most of you work the muscle sooner than later? Is it practical in your opinion to work the muscle or muscle group to get the oil dispersed and absorbed quicker? Does it have no affect for you either way?
Just wondering what some best practices are for the common soreness many of us get (short of potential infections, of course).
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I pin glutes and quads and then squat the following morning till I just about puke. It almost doesn't feel right having a leg day unless I have some pip.... I know I have issues
Well, I just pinned for the first time a week ago so I'm an expert (sarcasm) and I'll tell ya this. I had a little pip in my quad after pinning yesterday, and you know what helped? Leg extensions, I'm a big fan of working through the pain. Frankly it's the only way to forget about it IMO.
What about big ass baseball knots in the pec area. Trying to do chest with these knots is not fun. I feel a lot of pressure on the negatives makes me feel like something g is gonna pop? Anyone have any experience with that?
Chest is tricky, be careful man. I wouldn't do anymore than a mL. Use 5/8" pins. Inject nice and slow...massage it after pin. Maybe even do chest THAT day too, like all said below work that muscle that day. Stretch too, there's good pec stretches you can do that help me. Not only for pip but stretching your pectoral muscle fascia increases growth and strength ;-)
I have been doing chest Mondays and pinning pecs Tuesday and Wednesday in hopes the knots will be gone by Monday. I use a 1 inch pin and do inject very slowly. Is one inch to deep?
Well you can use it just don't bury it into your skin/muscle. There's virtually no fat on most guys chests, but I guess it depends on your BF%. Me I don't have any, so you don't have to go very deep at all
At 22% would I be okay at 5/8
If you have "baseball sized knots" I think you are doing something wrong. I'm sure someone will sort that out for you.
Maybe not quite baseball size but without exageration atleast the size of a large egg lands best egg.
Simple. Have a big glass of "man the hell up" and work through it.
I used to hate PIP, and while i still dont care much for it there is something weird about knowing im gonna work through it. those first sets when it just hurts like a bitch I like to stretch it, get those deep squats that pulls the muscle. I know theres something wrong with me, but I have moved my leg day up a day just to have a PIP workout session. But it varies on how bad it is, if I cant roll out of bed leg day will wait! LOL
pip sucks... but what I do is,if I get pip in my leg I work out upperbody or vice versa.. but rusty is spot on. hot shower then put a little muscle rub on it and it helps... pip is caused by a couple of things, one is the steroid it self kinda crystalizes and sits on the muscle causing pip, or the oil has a high alcohol content causing the irration, but regardless you need to get the blood flowing to that area to help..
I literally can't workout if the pip is bad in my quads. That's the only area that affects me. I can do legs with pip in my glutes and I can so upper body with pip in my delts. But if I have pip in my quads forget about it. It's really been fuckimg me up lately im about to buy a calander and mark out what days I should inject what muscle so it doesn't interfere with my workouts.
RustyhookerHeat that area with hot pack. Heat causes blood flow. Then get to work in the gym. Pip sucks but if you can man thru it then maybe this isn't your sport.
Heat, bloodflow, workout, stretch.
Exactly, I man up and I don't quit. I've been to a point doing an exercise where I almost had tears in my eyes cuz it hurt that bad...but guess what?!!? Later that day and/or the next day the PIP is all gone. Only pussies go home lol ;-)
"This is a man's world" - JB
RustyhookerYa really gotta love the pain to do it. The pump, burn, lactic, hunger, injuries...etc etc. Continuously breaking down the body to watch it come back better/bigger.
I was being such an asshole writing that lol
RustyhookerCyber high five !
AnonYou're hilarious
Sorry bro, I was being serious at the same time tho
AnonIt's cool, man lol...I know this topic comes up so often that we kind of have to make it fun haha. I've got some new shit to try and that's all I was after. Appreciate you vets chiming in - even the jokes when my e2 is under control!
Thats the spirit ma
I mean seriously its not meant to be personal. I know pip sux man...I was running high mg primo for MONTHS and my butt and quads hurt so GO*DAMN bad all the time. '
Jokes, yes lol
AnonFor sure, bro. I'm new to pinning so frequently with shorter esters...
To be honest, the mistake I made this last week was taking it easy because I was thinking I could cause an infection if the area looked a little irritate (from EO) and I pushed through it. Anyways, I went in and crushed it today after morning pins and all is well. A little warm up on the treadmill, plenty of stretching, and a shit ton of work! I'm just like the rest of you sick fucks! I like the sides as long as I know I'm safe
Thanks bro
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI agree. I have found if I start with cardio I can finish whatever workout I was supposed to be doing that day regardless of PIP. I have been dealing with daily injections and the PIP is omnipresent always..
AnonPale,
Thanks for that suggestion. I've kind of been skimping on a quick 10-15 warm up just walking at an incline on the treadmill lately (mostly just a time issue with work), but that makes sense. I always feel more loose and ready to go with a little warm up to get the blood flowing. Gonna have to be more adamant about that going forward
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkRustyhookerIt kinda comes down to mamagement. Any trick learned to keep about a regular life and chase the dream.
AnonOh Rusty, never a nice word without sliding in some kind of backhanded compliment! Lol
Nah, man. I don't believe I said anything about not manning through it. I was just looking for the tips. I like your regimen. Think I will give that a go. I know ice is a no no, but I feel like the stretching part helps, even when I see other guys say that you don't want to run the area and cause more irritation. The stretching undoubtedly moves stuff around, which I imagine is a good thing. More surface area for absorption. Idk, just a thought.
Thanks bro
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkRustyhookerNot out on mission to back hand. I too have had countless time of bat to thighs knotty pip. Im definitly not Mr macho as i too bitch in pain. The forums I've made on pip come right from downright painful hatred.
Going back to crystallization. Lets break it down. Small pin, warmed barrel, slow inject...we know the drill. But look at things done to cut that pip and why. Added pure oil or blending with other oils. Thats to disperse those potential crystallizations before they happen. Crystals in a 1cc diameter is dime sized but blended maybe a quarter. How can we spread that further? Bloodflow. Pin early in the morning because we have all day moving around to assist the dispersion. Worst pip happens at night, simply because lack of movement and blood flow.
Body parts and hard workouts. Building muscle directly has to do with stretching the fascia. The pump. Spot injecting (if possible) adds oil into that muscle. It takes up space. So tgen add in that pump from bloodflow and you're effectively stretching that fascia. "if possible" is in reference to some muscles having very painful effects when pinned like calves. From stories heard, i won't try it. But pinning a cc to different heads of delts is a beginning fascia experience.
Brewers choice. Ultimately its the brew. Prop is the best reference for universal topic. I've used prop from brand A that was hardcore never again oh my God this sucks!!! Bad enough i avoided prop for a year. Screw that ester of prop! Then I've found a few brands that caused soreness compared to post workout lactic acid or no soreness at all. Why? The recipe. Some brewers will blame the prop ester but if that's true then why have i found prop that was sweet? Solvents, BA/bb etc. Different carrier oils cause different reactions as well. Many of us have had to take benedry before bed to alleviate redness right? That's an allergic reaction.
Best advice is taking notes. Oil used, brand, solvent, etc. Most brewers wont give up their real recipes but take notes. Try many brands that carry "good ratings" or happy users. And when you find strong gear that keeps your body happy....STOCK UP! Brands, quality and labs come n go at a snap. As does quality and potency.
My forums of pip and quad pins has a big collection of variable. I dont buy into pain pills for pip unless absolutely necessary. We already have liaded our bodies with oil, chems and liver/kidney stress. Pain pills directly hit our organs.
AnonThanks brother! I think I'm taking notes from here on out. Very well could be carrier oils and solvents. I'm not getting the worst pain... I am getting a bit red but it's not consistent and I'm also working in some new sites to keep up with eod frequency. But it's surpirsingly uncomfortable at 1cc. Couple with some toughness and a slight red area that doesn't get any bigger and ultimately all goes away, my best guess is it's a reaction.
I appreciate the feedback, man. You know your shit and this is such a beat up topic that it can be frustrating to restate things sometimes, I'm sure. But I got some new stuff to do and try post pip from you as well.
Much appreciated, bro! +1
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkRustyhookerWhat your describing sounds like reaction to solvent. Eo in your gear? I'm ok with eo but sometimes its benedryl time.
Eq is nice to blend oils for alleviating pip. Some of the resellers in ancillaries sources sell pure gso oil for cutting/blending.
If in future i cut the answer short, please reply that. Its easy from a screen to see lvl2 and talk quicker and miss the deeper aspects. I'd definitly rather assist than see ya hate your cycle
AnonFr sent, bro. I have been resisting this cutting thing, but maybe that's the right call.
Try not to be so vague next time. ;)
RustyhookerGood point! Get in a rush and miss the mark
Working out with PIP is a pain in the ass..literally. I use to put ice on it before going in for about 5-10 minutes, but now I just live with it; it comes with the territory dude... You could just rotate sites, say you're doing legs within the next two days, so pin in your delt or anywhere upper body, and visa versa... ultimately you'll get use to it, or maybe that's just me bro...
You could take a look at this... http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/causes-and-sol...
AnonThanks bro...I have read that one, and quite a few others more than once...
I guess I am more asking about the very last part of that post. Meaning once the pip is there (and I agree with you totally that it's just part of the deal), what are some methods people stand behind. Some guys say go ahead work it out right away, others like your approach to give the muscle group in question a couple days when possible. Them there's the rub/ massage or don't arguments. So, what I am asking is totally subjective, I realize that. Was just wondering what other tips or tricks people have developed along the way.
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