Blood results, ADVICE needed
So, at around 6 months after completing my last cycle which was 12 weeks of test cyp, 2 week break. and 4 week PCT of nolva and clomid 40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50 i still have major signs of low T which has really affected my quality of life and has me very depressed and fatigued everyday.
I then got my testosterone levels checked out last week and my blood results came in today showing a SERUM testosterone level of 356 ng/l which is at the LOW end of normal especially for my age. My doctor just said you are fine, but I am not.
I REALLY need advice on how to get my body producing its natural testosterone back, because this LOW figure is not what i should be producing at the age of 26. I really am depressed out this.
Shall i do a new better cycle?
Should i take nolva/clomid/hcg? if so in what dosages and for how long?
My stats and previous cycle history are as follows:
age: 26
Body fat: 13%
Cycle history: Anavar, Pro Hormone & Test Cyp.
Thanks.
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Problem is ya don't have a test level before you took the PHs and Test.
First you have to know if your pct was bunk or did you use pharma grade pct. If you know for sure your pct was legit, you could try another pct with hcg, Dr. Scally's protocol just look it up. You may still be recovering it's just delayed and adding good supplement support for the HTPA should bring you back into your normal range and get your libido strong again. Personally I would do the later with these supplements and I use them personally after every cycle. HCGenrate is a great natural supplement to boost your LH, FSH, and natty test, DHEA, nettle root extract binds SHGB to free up test and boost libido, omega 3, vitamin C and E or just go see and Endo but I try to stay away from quacks myself.
I just had a read of the Dr. Scally's protocol and regarding its HCG and nolva/clomid use. Would you suggest that the best thing for me to do right now is this? will it increase my body's ability to produce its natural testosterone with everything being in homeostatic?
Should i run those supplements you mentioned whilst during this therapy?
I think if i were to may money to go and see an endo he may advice me to do the same thing.
An endo won't put you on nolva. Period.
And endo might put you on HCG mono theorpy 500-1000iu 3 times a week.
Or put you on clomid at 25mg pd.
If your estrodiol is high they might put you on adex depends on the endo intelligence.
Why would they not? Isn't Dr. Scally a well respected Endo and he recommends Nolva as part of the therapy regime to repair hpta function.
Dr. Scally is well respected in our community. But nolvadex is hard to get from an endocrinologist that is not up to date on steriods us.
It's a matter of insurance. My wife worked for Humana,
aromasin, adex, clomid and letro have off label uses in men that have been studied by pharmaceutical company's and university's while nolvadex have been shunned in male studies.
If a doctor said you need one of these for off label an insurance company would not give it so much thought. But nolvadex they would have to prove why it's better then the others for your treatment.
We all know hcg, or clomid will get you restarted if your balls work and thiers no thyroid problem.
Basically your better off getting lab to determine if your issue is also related to estrogen.
If it's low estrogen you will walk out with hcg, because you have low normal testosterone and would benefit because hcg will raise both.
If it's high estrodiaol you will most likely walk out with adex. Please get labs and post them it will make it easy.
Remember you can't fix something if you don't know what's broken
It's up to you bro.
1 get blood work done
if everything is good and E2 is normal I'd do the supplements for a month and if that didn't work the aggressive pct Dr Scally's protocol. And if that didn't work then I would see a quack.
RustyhookerPrivatemdlabs.com. Full scan . Female panel $60. Could be as simple as high estro. Could be more.
this service is based in the US though, i'm in the UK. I'll look for a similar service around here.
Guys, where in the UK can i get FSH, E2, LH, Serum and Free testosterone tested? do i go to the GP? or is there a website? do i ask an endo?
Got a needle exchange near you?
If so, they all have access to pathology for drug / AAS users. Might have to give them a bit of a sob story though, "I messed up using AAS now I'm feeling shit etc".
Let us know what u find out for UK service. U have to get bloodwork. Its what the endo will do, theoretically. The specific bloodwork has been suggested. From there, you can evaluate your choices and make a decision. You are not alone. You have Eroids here to help you, mate....
I guess I have a clearer picture on what actions to take now. Shall i go to my doctor and ask for the specific hormones to be tested as this will be free on the NHS, or just go to straight to the endo to assess?
If you can get it free, then try to get those specific tests. I am not familiar with UK's NHS. If the lab values are out of range, will NHS provide a referral? If not, u will get the lab values needed and you can bring them back here.
Hey Al.Try googling "alternative to trt for men".
My life is not worth living anymore. i messed up.
I need a clear answer on what to do, otherwise i'm going to fall deeper and deeper.
Are u kidding me wtf. U have been told what to do go see an endo. No one can tell u what is wrong with u. U don't even have all the blood work to show us. We aren't medical doctors. This is an issue that needs a specialist to help u with. Smh
RustyhookerEstradiol levels ? Life stressed?
U got pussy negged to I'll fix it
I did not get Estradiol tested bro and I have no reason to be stressed in my life.
everything externally is well. But I still have no libido, am depressed, balls are still not normal sized and my test come back low end of normal, very low considering my age.
RustyhookerLibido and fatigue can be a huge group of issues. "normal" test is 300-1100. Range is huge because everyone is unique. You May see your numbers as low and possibly for yoyr body, they are. Fatigue alone xan be as simple as electrolytes, minerals, and vitamins. It could be estro. Could be a host of human organism issues. Bp, endocrine, liver, or blood disorders. My friend just went in for bad fatigue and got the Darth vader helmet for sleeping disorders. Doing great and hornier too. Anything this troubling would require a thorough exam by endo doctor.
Not flaming you. So don't take what I'm going to say to hard.
Estrodiaol and testosterone go hand in hand, you should test both as a standard, if your depressed like you said then you my friend are stressed.
Any anabolic you take will stress your body. Some people handle it better then others. Your is low normal which most likely your estrodiol is crashed because you have no libido. But we won't know until you run labs.
My advice would be stay away from all anabolics, take clomid at 25mg pd get tested 2 months later then stop clomid. Eat some protein to gain weight at least to you weight 190lbs you should not take anabolics your Htpa is not even matured fully yet.
Did you get pre-cycle blood work? And, can u elaborate on your cycle history, please?
I did not, no. But i am sure I had higher natty levels, i have always had strong libido and well being, thats all gone now, i dont know what to do.
Anavar 8 weeks - PCT
Pro hormone 8 weeks - PCT
Test cyp 12 weeks- PCT
All in space of around 2-3 years.
Good luck best advice if u are really feeling this bad go see a specialist and be truthful and hopefully they can help
The professional endo's are highly expensive, and atm money is an issue.
Need some advice on whether to just run a PCT and what to include in it, such as possibly HCG, nolva and clomid and at what dosages. Would that be the way to go or...
Ugh u young guys drive me crazy. First u put up top should u run a new better cycle. Really? then u say money is an issue if u can't afford money for your well being then u shouldn't be using steroids. Yes u can try an aggressive pct. Think bout this u are 26 how important is not been on trt for life to u right now. U really need to evaluate your life goals brother
Brother, I know, I messed up.
What type of aggressive PCT would any body suggest?
would it include HCG, if so what dosages?
Go to magnify glass up top but honestly I hope u consider an endo. U have a long life ahead
Really me and hooker got negged for these comments
I'm level 1 rolltide got rid of your pussynegg
Thats not true about your natural test levels, unless you have BW to prove. Values are one thing, and signs and symptoms are another. Was your PCT the standard protocol after each cycle?
What dosages and frequencies? And, specifically, which PH? Thank you.
When i did them:
Anavar I ran at 60mg ed for the 8 weeks
Pro hormone was Cynostane i ran of 60mg ed for 8 weeks
Test cyp I ran for 500mg a week for 12 weeks
Do u have blood work for 6 weeks after each PCT?
How much time in between var and PH was there?
Like 5 or 6 months mate.
But thats the past now, the damage is done. I need to know my options on what to do, my quality of life is crap and im sure this is the reason.
Test is at 356 ng/l.
Time is needed to recover. Or u may be low to begin with...search the TRT forum. And query a search engine for endocrinology anomalies in the HPTA secondary to AAS use.....