BAD reaction to anavar - SEVERE side aches & stomach knotting / ADVICE?
The is the first time I've ever used anavar. I haven't touched an oral in years... in fact, I think the last time was when superdrol and M1t were both legal and available on the shelf...
Anyhow, for my summer cut cycle I opted to go with 50 mgs / week for 3 weeks. This is alongside 500 mgs of test enth and 400 mgs of eq weekly. In the past, my body has always been able to respond to test enth within 7 days. So I stacked the anavar 1 week later for beginning dosage kickoff. So everything looks like this:
Weeks 1 - 12 Test Enth @ 500 mgs
Weeks 1 - 12 EQ @ 400 mgs
Weeks 2 - 5 Anavar @ 50 mgs / day
Weeks 13 - 16 Clomid @ 100 / 50 / 50
- Arimidex on hand for any gyno flare ups
Now here's where things get fucked. Two days ago (8 days into dosing anavar) I had to immediately stop. I started getting massive side cramps and pains on both sides of my body, stomach knotting, gastro-intestinal issues (basically shitting myself stupid). I applied Occam's Razor and quit the anavar to see if the symptoms and adverse reactions would subside. They did scale back slightly, but I still am battling an upset bowels with bouts of nausea, insomnia, chills, and side aches. Also I am bloated / retaining a lot of water and not urinating much out.
Is this classic test flu? My gear is legit and from a VERY reputable source. Others that have posted reviews of the exact same batches of product as I purchased have had given glowing reviews with only one other person saying he got test sick / flu.
At this stage I'm just looking to end the rollarcoaster. I feel suppressed from the anavar, AND the test enth has still not hit yet!!!! So I feel lethargic, sick, and have no libido. My thoughts are to immediately end the cycle and start up the clomid ASAP? Or alternatively, I could try and push though with some test prop that I have on hand and at least get some free flow testosterone running through me...
This all seems so strange as anavar is generally though to be so mild and the least hepatoxic on you liver.
Any thoughts / insight are appreciated.
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UPDATE:
The bloat / water retention is receding. No more side aches or spasms. Urine is running clear. I feel level and clearheaded again. Not detached and delirious. The last 6+ days were brutal and hellish...
However, I should mention the test enth and test prop just hit full force this morning. The libido supercharge and overall sense of wellbeing that I've always felt in the past with good cycles finally came around. Now the decision: to quit or stay the course? Tomorrow (Monday) I am due for another injection of 250 test e / 200 eq.
Assuming what I just got over was either a toxic reaction to anavar or else because of a real vicious case of "test flu", then I am tempted to continue onward with the protocol of a test enth / eq cycle.
Anyone else want to chime in on this with a prognosis from past experience? Curious if anyone out there ever got a case of the "test flu" this bad?
What precisely is "test flu" in the first place?
Doesn't sound like test flu to me. Test Flu will not cause urination problems. It will cause lethargy and tiredness. It can also cause a low grade fever. But the fact that you are having diarrhea along with a urination problem with nausea and vomiting leads me to believe you have some type of infection in the lines of a UTI or prostatitis. If you don't want to take the advise of going to see a Dr then at least go get a blood test. It's 53 bucks and you'll have some answers. If any of the values such as WBC being elevated, kidney values out of wack, liver values way off then go see a DR. Don't play around. Just stopping will not get rid of an infection.
Are you running any fever? I might be off but I'm going through this right now and found out yesterday I have a UTI (urinary trac infection) that did not clear up after a bout of antibiotics(Citpro 500mg 2x a day for 7 days).Found the problem after a UA test. The symptoms your describing are the same as what I have. Difficulty urinating, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, flank pain,diarrhea,bloating, water retention. Doc has me running 500mg 2 x a day for 14 days now. It will make you feel like crap.
http://www.liberatormedical.com/catheters/male-urinary-tract-infection.php
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/ART02824/prostatitis.html
Thanks for the links. A lot of the adverse reactions you describe are spot on accurate to what I experienced. I'm going to go in for a blood draw / urinalysis at the beginning of next week. My symptoms are subsiding at the moment... but I don't know if that's from my own body's immune system kicking into overdrive and beating back a bacteria infection, or simply from refraining from using anymore of that lab's gear now for a period of several days.
Wish there was some better way to vouch for the quality and purity of a ugl's gear other than simple user reviews... but at least it's something better than nothing at all. Too bad lab's aren't required to post mass spec'd testing for verification on each batch. Ultimately, it's just a roll of the dice and crapshoot on what you're actually receiving and administrating into your body.
Besides the idea that the anavar was fake. Do you filter your gear or shoot it from the direct sources vial?
You should always filter you gear, also clean the top before and after. Just remember that every time you draw you risk putting bacteria inside the vial.
Get some anti-b trust me better safe then sorry. Vitamin c will help with the bloat and taurine with the stomach cramps/ pains
Good suggestions. Ya, I clean the tops, but always have just used one needle earmarked as the "juicer" to pull from, then of course unscrew it and put on a fresh syringe prior to injection. Remote chance that was the problem...
I don't do a second filter it beforehand either. I realize it's a neat trick to further minimize any potential sides, but just never did it out of sheer laziness or oversight I suppose.
AnonWait you use the same draw needle every time??? No wonder you have an infection dude... You should buy syringes w/ larger gauge needle attached I use 22g so the rubber stopper doesn't get beat up too badly, then put on a fresh smaller gauge needle right out of the package when you're read to pin. Sounds like you don't understand basic sterile technique not trying to be a dick what's done is done but damn man you should know not to use the same needle multiple times that's begging for it.... Get on antibiotics ASAP I wouldn't even wait on bloodwork, although you should still get bloodwork to confirm. Like get it done + get on antibiotics today or if it's too late then tomorrow.
No I use a new "juicer" each time is what I meant to say above - just didn't clarify enough through my description.
AnonAh ok it sort of reads like you were reusing a draw needle that's good... let us know how the doc visit goes
Anon2 years ago I got a severe infection from a "reputable" source as well, top 3. After taking a round of antiobiotics and getting better ( obviously discontinuing the gear ) I found a nice bacteria colony floating around growing inside the vial.
I got bad gastrointestinal issues from Anavar as well but im 90% sure it wasn't real anavar, yours may not be either var is one of the most faked things around. If you've discontinued and still feel sick days later I think Gearhead may be correct sounds like an infection.... A doc visit and bloodwork can confirm that go see one!
Thanks buddy. Yes, I have doubts the "alleged" anavar was legitimate. But how to go about getting it tested? And is it even worth the time and expense? That's actually probably what a lot of these sources count on - that you will be dissatisfied and leave it at that... never going the extra length to invalidate it and post the results.
Whatever the case, I'm slowly recouping. One question: What's up with a crazy amount of bloat? I mean, I'm pounding down liquids and urinating very little back out. Meanwhile, my midsection looks like it got pumped with a bag-full of water. Some sort of auto-immune response perhaps?
AnonFrom what a understand diuretics are a part of fake anavar at times.... Go see a doc bro I'm no doctor and even if I was couldn't diagnose you via in the internet
Huh? No shit? That's gotta be one of the the lowest, vile and rank "schemes for profit" I've heard of if true... I can't even put my mind around what type of creature would market and sell diuretics as "anavar".
I'm no Dr, but a distended stomach, lots of liquids, and little pee sounds like kidney problems. You should see a doctor.
Bro, u need to see a doc ASAP - what u r describing sounds a bit more than "test flu." Sounds like u have a real infection in process. If u do, u r gonna need some medicine. I wouldn't do anymore pinning. If u see a doc and u do have an infection - pls toss the gear.
Thanks for the response. I'm getting better - don't think I'll be carried out on a stretcher just yet. But goddamn what a roller-coaster ride through hell!
At this stage I just assume it was fake anavar, or non-hygienic gear that triggered the sickness backlash. I'm not continuing the cycle though. I can finally eat without puking, or shitting myself silly... so you know, it's the baby steps that count toward progress, ha ha! But the fucking bloat and cramping is still there.
What's your recommendation for PCT? Or should I not even worry / go there since the cycle was just under 3 weeks, and give my body a rest from all the chemical cocktails?
I wouldn't PCT with anything from the same lab. I'd get a blood test in two weeks, though, to see where u are at, then make a decision.
Update: I'm still sick as hell. Starting to think this is the dreaded test flu. It's been 3+ years since my last cycle, so maybe my body is in open revolt against extraneous hormones,.. who the fuck knows. But I will say that I feel like my liver is about to be liquefied out of my ass at any given moment!
Thanks for the update and sorry for your misery. It's entirely possible that you may just be sick with a real virus/bacteria and have the real flu or the like. You should still drop as much as you can, but I would still keep that in mind. Keep the updates coming.
Ditch the Var, if your 17% body fat, what's the point? Not trying to be rude, but an avatar should he at the end, not the beginning.
hey bro, i dont like or use anavar, i think i have twice, why is it advised at end of cycle these days?
To me, and with the research I've done, this cycle is all wrong. EQ needs to be run much longer than 12 weeks, usually 16-20 weeks. Anavar is typically used toward the end of a cycle, last 5 weeks as a finisher or cutter. Anyone more experienced can chime in here.
My point, in this thread, was 17% bf is too high to reap many of the benefits of Anavar. Just my opinion.
If body fat is such a key player with var why do women love it so much?
RustyhookerI like var for the strength gains. It kills my eq appetite a lot as well so finishing is easier.
Good question, I don't know the answer. I would bet that a fit women would get better benefits than a chunky one. Also, men have way more options when it comes to AAS, women are fairly limited. Just my guess.
i didnt even look at the cycle lol, so ppl are using var as hardener and finisher, fair enough, maybe why i dont like it then, i used it at start of cycle, a heap of the lads i know in the gyms here do too, oh well, lol. cheers.
If your having issues with a compound stop taking it. I don't think test would do that but everyone's different. I would stop var and keep running test to see what happens
No eq either
Ya, I tend to think it's either the eq, var, or a combination of both that is throwing me under the bus. Just hope its not just dirty gear. The thought of shooting dirty gear for the past several weeks makes me cringe. Probably just a vicious case of Test Flu.
Test Flu has made me a humbled man - turned me into a sniveling whiney bitch! Ha ha.
ive had issues with anavar too.
everyone is different.
for me anavar has the most side effects. much worse than tren. or dianabol, or any other oral.
I agree 100% !
If you want to feel like a walked on doormat - run some anavar!
Since you are running multiple compounds it gets harder to pinpoint what is making you sick; The only answer is to drop all of them because the eq and test are long esthers and takes 2 weeks to be completely out. If you have a backup from another source start running those and see if it clears up. There is no easy answer other then dropping the EQ and waiting 2 weeks to see if you are better and if not then its the test.
Gotcha. Ya, I think I'm gonna throw in the towel. A cycle is supposed to be mentally and physically invigorating... not debilitating. I feel like my body is a bad science project that just needlessly collapsed high natural test levels... My plan is just to wait another week, then start a round of clomid / pct therapy.
Since I'm basically only a little over two weeks in on this cycle, I was figuring 2 weeks of clomid @ 50 mgs / day. Does that seem practical or high / low on dosage duration? I can feel my nuts aching so I know they're starting to shut down already...
Wait 2 weeks before PCT still; the EQ is a 3 weeker in itself. I would maybe do 3 weeks to be on the safe side and then find out if it maybe you got some bad gear; it happens more then you think. When you get a few cycles under your belt you know your body a little better and you can see what compound could be fucking you up. Thats why its always good to do a few test only cycles so you have some experience with it; then on your 4th or 5th you can add another to the mix. What I tell you is only a guideline and not fact in itself and some more advanced (10 or more) can add to that. Either way be safe.
What is your cycle history (# of cycles, substances, etc.)? Also, your pct needs work (timing, length, compounds).
That's the risk you take buying ugl. Reputable source or not. It doesn't matter if big Joey from down the road took the same shit and never got sick, side effects do happen with pharma grade steroids so if your throwing gear into yourself that's made in someone's garage then it could be anything. The only way you would know for sure is to have the gear tested somehow.
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