+ 7 4th cycle, Summer bulk, including peptides, opinions welcome!
Hey guys! Been training for 6 years consistently and I'm planning on doing my 4th cycle during summer time. (1st was 250 mg Test E/wk, 2nd Test E 250mg/week & 400mgs EQ and 50 mgs Anavar for the start, 3rd was Test E at 350mg/week and 600 mg/wk EQ plus 50 mgs TBOL kickstart). Now it might seem a little unconventional to bulk during summer, but i'm sitting at 175 lbs with about 11-12 % bf right now and would like to get to 190-195 lbs if possible. Obviously trying to stay as lean as possible. Currently doing a 6 week pre-cycle prime to get bf down to sub-10% and create a more anabolic environment. So, concerning the cycle, this is what I thought of doing:
Wk 1-14 - Test Cyp @ 500mgs/wk
Wk 1-12 - EQ @ 600mgs/wk
Wk 1-12 - Proviron @ 50mgs/day
Wk 1-4 - Dbol @ 20mgs/day
Wk 10-16 - Anavar @ 50mgs/day
AI: Aromasin @ 25 or 12.5 mgs a day. Very gyno prone, thats why I'm keeping Dbol at 20mgs and adding in Proviron for an extra bit of protection.
Peptides: 100 mcg GHRP-6 & 100mcg CJC-1295 without DAC Post-Workout, 100 mcg Ipamorelin & 100 mcg CJC-1295 without DAC pre-bed. (Will also be trying Melanotan 2, but that has nothing to do with the cycle itself)
Support supps: n2guard throughout the whole cycle, NAC daily, Multi-Vit, Vit C, Liv-52, Cystone (Himalaya kidney supplement), Glutamine, BCAA's, Fiber Powder, Fish Oil, probably HCGENERATE
PCT: 200 mg Clomid blast 1st day, then 2 weeks @ 100mg, 2 weeks @ 50mg, Nolva @ 40mg for 2 weeks and 20mg for 2 weeks. 12.5 mg Aromasin EOD, HCGENERATE, Unleashed/Post cycle combo.
Diet will look a little something like this:
Meal 1: 6:15 - 1 Scoop Whey, 1 Scoop Instant Oats, 3 whole wheat toasts, 3 eggs and some bacon, 35 g Protein, about 90 g carbs and some fats., Granny's Smith Apple
Meal 2: 09:30, 250 g Chicken/Poultry, 300 g Sweet Potatoe, some Walden Farms Ketchup (40 g Protein, 75 g Carbs) - or rice, or pasta, whatever I prefer, get the macros in.
Meal 3: 11:30 250 g Chicken/Poultry, 100 g whole wheat pasta, veggies (40 g Protein, 70 g carbs)
in here, about 13:00, 1 Up your Mass Shake.
Train, post workout shake: 50 g Malto, 2 Scoops protein (50 g Protein, 50 g Carbs)
PWO Meal: 250 g Chicken/Poultry, 100 g dry weight rice (40 g Protein, 75 g carbs) - up later on, if Hunger allows it, go with more carbs & protein, clean!
Meal 5: 250 g ground beef, veggies, 100 grams whole wheat pasta
(50 g Protein, 30 g Fats, 70 g Carbs)
Meal 6: 250 g ground beef, veggies, (40 g Protein, 30 g Fats)
Meal 7: 1 Scoop Casein, 15 ml Olive oil/macadamia nut oil (25 g Protein, 15 g Fats)
Should be around 4000 clean kcal.
Training: I am planning on doing a training program from the book 3 more reps, a book about the golden era of bodybuilding. So one of Arnold's/Franco's/Frank's/Tom's or whomever programms. High volume, training each muscle twice a week. Should be doable with the amount of food in my opinion.
Alright thats it a whole lot of stuff to read, but I wanted to include as much info as possible. Would be greatly appreciate to hear some advice/opinions/suggestions.
Best wishes
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Just to give you guys a heads up: starting the 4th week, the carb priming thing seemed to work, body is really soaking up all the calories, up 16 pounds already, everything seems to work great, even got a bit leaner (yeah believe it or not, i guess im kind of gifted in that department). Havent even added in the "Viking mega shakes" yet, will add them pre bed soon I guess. Cut down test to 250 mg a week early cause of gyno paranoia, guess I'm gonna up it back to 500 again tho. Let's see how big I can get!!
+1 bro this is a brilliant example of how to be successful in this life choice, and how to learn and make the most of the knowledge provided by the eroids community..
well done fella, keep us updated
Thanks a lot bro, appreciate it! Yeah, im planning on doing a cycle log!
This is how to post up for cycle response........ others should read and learn from this!... also the OPs attitude has been impeccable throughout, clear proof of prior research not only in compounds but more importantly nutrition is evident.............. Give this guy some karma boyz!.. he is more switched on than some Lvl3 members imo.
YES i do hammer people with my hard approach but i also offer praise in the right circumstances... this is one of those ocassions
sent you a pm, would be greatly appreciated if you could help me out bro!
Far too busy to do PM work these days bro..... post up your topics i will get to it as i cruise the forums ok.
Perfect, it's in the peptides section bro. Thanks for your help
thanks a lot bro, appreciate it!
fr sent!
x 2 well done too op for time, effort and being elaborate, including diet. +1 from me and fr sent
So V, if you can tell me the shakes. And are you saying just go with the peps instead of doing the whole cycle? Oh yeah, and I'm not gonna be all out bulking, I'm doing pro wrestling as well and need to keep my agility and speed, and I don't wanna be one bloated mofo, need to look good every weekend when working shows
Never got to do the profile updating in the first place, age is 24. Yes, still young (looking young cause i've always been on the smaller side, small frame etc., took forever to get good growth spurts, was bullied in school etc.) But still, I know the risks, but am willing to take them. So yeah, might be too young for some of you, but as I am going to focus on my professional career from the beginning of fall onwards, this will be my last cycle for quite a while. And V, I enjoy the cooking. Not a huge fan of shakes, but whats in the shakes you are talking about? Would be lovely if you could help me out
PIN gave you the link below bro....................... add this one also as many times pr day as you can stomach it to further accelerate muscle gain through hitting max daily pro intake.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/only-real-men-need-apply
Yeah just after i posted, thanks bro. Ok, will give it a go, cheers. So besides that, how does everything look for you?
Looks good bro... nice conservative use of compounds, only problem i see is that the EQ will just be producing gains when you are finishing it!... its best ran longer to be honest, so i would extend the EQ to 14wks and the test to 16wks to really get the best from that specific stack..... PEPS you should stay on for a good six months even after PCT and i guarantee you dont lose ANY gains at all if you keep your protein high.
Thanks a bunch for the advice! Might keep it at 12 and 14, had good results with 12 weeks up until now. I might decided to run it for 14 and 16 during the cycle. Okay, and the low dose of peps is also good to go? Don't wanna overdo anything! Thanks for the help, really appreciate it. cant +1 yet, otherwise I would!
PEPS dose is spot on bro... 100mcgs is saturation point for those compounds you using, anymore is total waste to be honest........... you sir have done your research and homework very well!.... its been a pleasure to have been involved with your post +3 for that...... have a great cycle and be sure to let me know the results please brother
Yup, that's what I was thinking concerning saturation dose. To be honest, might sound a bit stupid, but ever since I got into this whole AAS I been researching and reading through everything I can find. Been doing that for over 3 years now, and I'm doing new research every day. You never stop to learn. Thanks for the help and the +3, will let you know brother
That's the name of the game. I research each and everyday and learn something new all the time. This is the best AAS site out there. This is serious stuff we are dealing with, you can't go at it blindly. Your post was one of the best I've seen in a long time. Left very little questions to be answered.
it's a beast bro, I used for a lil over a month off cycle with my normal meals, and put on close to 10lbs.
(http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/for-guys-that-seriously...)
also hit reply under the person post to reply directly to them.
thanks man, appreciate it! Will hit at least one of them a day! BTW if I'm taking my peps pre-bed, I take it would be best to wait 30 mins, then have the shake and go to bed right?
Correct bro...... after a PEP shot ALways wait a MIN of 30mins before food!.... 2hrs if the meal is high carbs.
pick V's brain on the PEPs, that's something I'm still working into my arsenal.
Update your profile with your stats. One thing I don't see is your age.
always thourogh and on the ball bro, +1
I just checked his old cycle posts and pics!... he looks in descent shape but does look young bro so i suggest we sit back and wait for his update.
hey bro, hope you have been well, yes indeed never know these days.
Yeah im good bro.... just looking at his 4000 cal diet........ 2 of my shakes would give him near that without all the cooking and down time to eat lol....... swap his 2 protein shakes out for 2 of mine including the food and he will be in real gaining territory with 7500 ED and get the best from the PEP stack.
My 02 without going down the steroid route.
lol that is true, and the ground beef should be steak for an extra 200 grams of protein.
lol... you know my style bro, bulking is balls to the wall all out fkn mass.... none of this "i wanna keep it clean BS".......... the term "lean bulk" is basically short changing yourself from achieving the most size possible!... you agree?
bloody oath bro, i eat everthing bulking is bulking, i dont even do brown or wholemeal, give me a huge steak with a good bit of fat, mashed potatoe and a ton of veg and gravy anyday, eating big is the only way, some ppls diets on here is rabbit food lol, for me its meat and milk, there my number one supps up too 3litres of full cream milk a day and as much animal flesh as i can....... bulking is bulking.
full fat milk,butter, white pasta, white bread,mature cheddar cheese,.... nothing clean really when bulking but when comp prep starts its nothing but fkn turkey and brocolli and all the other boring shit lmao!
forsure! when it gets closer, fish, turkey, supergreens, we even eat raw albacore tuna from the fish market, we go halves in a heap of it and just slice it as we eat it, mix a tad of soy sauce with a bit of wasabi, dip and eat, its nice! and alot of good protein, the milk turns too water with electrolytes etc, i dont compete but my training partner does