+ 31 **UPDATED**Lab reports 102 testosterone : How to protect your health and make sure your not eaten by the Ripoffosaurs.
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In my last report I showed you how to spot the Fakeosaurus now lets move on to the Ripoffosaurs because it's still a jungle out there. For the under 25 or any age crowd reading this, I'm not going to mention that growing size is 85% diet and training protocol. That most probable 75% of you aren't growing due to overtraining. How many of you any age keep a training log? That more is not always better, more sets,more weight, more juice. Nope I'm not going to do it. This is about Labs,why,how,which one. If your new to the game,old to the game,on trt,athlete,power lifter,or just someone trying to stay in shape follow along.
Ok so you've spent money on the sauce,pins,AI's,PCT but did you budget for Labs? I would say most don't. My question to you is how do you know where your going if you don't even know where you've been. How do you know if that gear is working if you don't even know what your test levels were when you started. How do you know if your dialed in? If there's one thing I have learned thru the years is that everyones body chemistry is different.One guy is fine with estrodiol at 160 while another feels like he's dying at 60. See what I mean. If your having sides Labs may help. It can tell you if that AI you bought is working or if it's bunk. But what test? Well it depends on how your feeling and what feed back your looking for. So let's look at a couple of tests. While we're here let me show you a lab. Look at pic 4. Estrogens total and Testosterone Total,LC/MS were ordered. The Testosterone levels are great at 3511 almost 3 times highest values. But look at the estrogens total level 3016 pg/ml. Say what!!! He said he felt worse when his levels were 150 when he was on another cycle and had a blood test. Here's where the confusion comes in. The 150 was most probable an Estradiol test. open pic 5 Let me explain there are three main forms of estrogen found in the human body, estrone, estradiol and estriol, also known as E1, E2 and E3 respectively. Estrone is the most plentiful of the three estrogens it is also the weakest. But it can covert to estradiol. Next is estradiol the most powerful of the 3. The least abundant is estriol. Lets look at the 3. Estrone is produced primarily from androstenedione originating from the gonads or the adrenal cortex. Estrone can be converted into estradiol or estriol when needed. In prepubertal children, men and non-supplemented postmenopausal women the major portion of estrone is derived from peripheral tissue (BODY FAT) conversion of androstenedione. see pic 5 (THAT IS WHY VIKING AND OTHERS KEEP SAYING IF YOUR OVER 15% BODY FAT GET OFF THE JUICE AND GET IT IN CHECK. THE MORE BODY FAT THE MORE CONVERSION OF THE EXTRA ANDROGENS TO ESTROGENS BY AROMATASE. THE MORE SIDES AND PROBLEMS AND YES THE MORE FAT YOU WILL PUT ON WHICH IN TURN COMPOUNDS THE PROBLEM) Estradiol is about 10 times as potent as estrone and about 80 times as potent as estriol in its estrogenic effect. Therefore estradiol is the MEGA E of the estrogens. A Total Estrogens test measures estrone and estradiol together but does not measure estriol. Estradiol is largely bound to sex hormone-binding globulin, also to albumin. Only a fraction of 2.21% (± 0.04%) is free and biologically active. SO whats the big deal with high estradiol? Excess levels in men can be unhealthy. It offsets the effects of testosterone, causes the body to retain water, can cause the prostate to swell and increases the risk of prostate cancer. Men with even slightly elevated estrogen levels doubled their risk of stroke and had far higher incidences of coronary artery disease.If you have high(estradiol) you will experience Mood changes,Weight Gain: in men it is a vicious cycle. Weight gain can often contributes to an increase in estrogen levels. If you have a body fat of more than 15% your spinning your wheels. Get off the juice and get your Body fat down to 15%. It also causes low Sex Drive & Impotency.
Total estrogens is a test more suited for women. Estrone and/or estradiol are checked when a woman is having hot flashes, night sweats, insomnia, and/or amenorrhea, symptoms of menopause.
If you just want to know your Testosterone level then you would get Total Testosterone Serum.The direct ECLIA testosterone immunoassay is appropriate for use in screening for androgen dysfunctions in adult males. It is sufficiently sensitive and accurate for this purpose. LabCorp uses this protocol. If your on TRT or over 40 or coming of cycle then I would get Testosterone, Highly Sensitive or LC/MS-MS.This test can aid in the diagnosis of low T in females as well as males diagnosed with hypogonadism. It is a more sensitive and specific method when measuring low T concentrations when compared to immunoassay. UpDATE: If your on Tren get the hormone panel for females from labsmd.com it's 72.99 no discounts. It measures T in LS/MSMS and gives you a true #. In other words it goes higher than >1500. It also does not give a false elevated reading while on tren for estradiol. If your on hgh then get the hormone panel for males as it measure not only all the same stuff the female panel does but you also get Thyroid panel,IGF-1 LC/MS, Lipids panel, Free and total T in LS/MSMS and Estradiol Ultra sensitive LC/MSMS its a 100.00 more than the female panel 172.49. Tests ordered through labsmd are done by Quest Diagnostics.
Labcorp has both these test but only tests up to >1500 in the female panel. If you want a real deal full # besides labsmd then your in luck. You would have to order a test from personalabs.com they are out of FL. In my research, for some reason tests ordered out of FL show T levels in a whole #'s with no up to limits. Testosterone Highly Sensitive is $59 you would order Testosterone, Highly Sensitive,see picture 1. They also have a test BASIC Erectile Dysfunction profile which includes Testosterone, Highly Sensitive,Thyroid Profile with TSH,CBC with Differential/Platelet Count for $99. If you google them there are coupons online for discounts.
The other lab company to use which covers everything you want to know while on or off cycle is privatemdlabs.com .The test is the Hormone Panel for Females (see pic 2&3)for $62.99 but if you take a little survey you save 10% so the test is $56.69 WHEN YOU ORDER MAKE SURE YOU CHECK OFF THAT YOU ARE MALE. It is the #1 most ordered test. It checks T-levels up to >1500. If your having sides 9 times out of 10 your estradiol is high this test checks estradiol. If you just finished a cycle this is the test. It measures FSH Follicle-Stimulating Hormone and LH Luteinizing Hormone. What is that you ask? If this is not in range the twin boys between your legs aren't back in town and producing T. With out this you are more are less Mrs Jones with a banana. CBC will tell you if you have an infection (elevated white blood cell count), if your blood is too thick(elevated Hematocrit which can cause stroke and heart attacks)if this is very high you may want to give blood. Comprehensive Metabolic Profile is more or less a liver & kidney profile. If your on the juice ALT (SGPT)or AST (SGOT); will usually be elevated.This can be an indication of liver damage. Glucose will indicate if your diabetic. If you get this test you will need to fast for 12hrs before blood is draw. You know the old saying garbage in garbage out. If you want the most accurate test then fast. The best time to get a Testosterone test is in the morning.(yes there is a best time as your body produces the most T in the early A.M.) LabCorp recommends 8AM.
OK if your t levels are low after juicing 4wks or more then Ripoffosarus got you. I did the work for you. A few people asked me where can you get a total t test with a complete #. Now you know. If you liked this report lets hear it and I may keep writing others. If not your silence lets me know.
http://labsmd.com/tests.php?view=all&show=2234&category=14&search=#2234
https://www.personalabs.com/panelmoreinfotest.aspx?Panelid=38423&Visible...
http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=1032&category=1...
http://www.hormone.org/Resources/Reproduction/upload/bilingual_Testoster...
http://www.healthcommunities.com/testosterone-deficiency/overview-of-tes...
http://www.aeron.com/estrone.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estriol
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I will never agree that you need to lose weight first and then take steroids! Who came up with this crap! I gained weight because of a lack of testosterone! And no matter how hard I tried to get in shape, nothing worked until I bought testosterone with Deca! Fuck you and your "lose weight first and then take steroids" mentality! And also, after I lost weight with the help of steroids, I now need less aromatase inhibitors!
A great wealth of knowledge. Bump it up.
I found this months ago, but I just wanted to say thank you. It was great advice.
Very good read my man
Thanks Megat883
Very informative. My trt clinic charges $310 for bloodwork. Thanks
This is great, maybe too great for my level of knowledge.
hunteron20sOk so the womens hormone test is the best but make sure I tell them its for a male ?
amrakYou don't need to tell anyone anything, just make sure you select that you're a male when you order the test online. That's the only indication of you being a male that is necessary for them to accurately process this. They shouldn't ask you any questions.
hunteron20sCan I pm you for a few questions?
amrakFR accepted
amrakThis is probably the most informative post I've read since I joined eroids. Thank you Mega for sharing education on this with us.
RustyhookerDefinitly keep them coming!
AssUhlOne of the greatest posts I've read since coming to this site! So far this and Empees posting on HGH are my two favorites!
Thanks, great info and you put it in a easy way to understand.
AnonThis is really good. Thanks.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.Permalinkalot of good info thanks....
This was a really great post. I have been looking for a way to get my total test number!
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I know a lot of guys had asked for it a while back and this post is kind of hard to find as it's buried now so I brought it back up on my other post for those who missed it.
Very helpful MegaT883! Thanks for posting it.
In my area, personalabs.com directs me to a labcorp for the actual test.
With personalabs.com still using labcorp, will my testosterone test levels still be limited to >1500? Or will it give the actual number if over >1500 since I'm directed to labcorp by personalabs.com?
Hope that's a clear question! Thanks!!
I understand your question. Personalabs no matter where you live shows the whole #. I don't know why but all Lab tests taken in Fla or taken by a company that's in Fla(which personalabs.com is based in) shows the whole number not the up to number on total T. Privatemdlabs.com only shows >1500. Each lab co. has a set way they do their tests. Although Labcorp does the blood draw and the testing, the Company that orders the test (such as personalabs or privatemdlabs) sets the protocol of what numbers to use and reference ranges. If you noticed all the personalab reports in the examples (pictures 1 and 4) were done by LabCorp.
Thanks for the help MegaT883! That makes it perfectly clear. I did notice that test ordered by personalabs with the high T was done by labcorp. But - I didn't notice til I was closing my windows - and I had already asked you! But it's cool because you've made it crystal clear. Thanks again!! I'll be ordering up a personalabs test towards the end of cycle - interested to know how high the T gets.
Awesome post. Thank you +1
dude! awesome! thank you!
very comprehensive and detailed, immensely helpful. if I could +1 I would
I appreciate you writing this up, brother
i had just arrived at the fact today that I need to run labs propably 3 times. Pre mid and post. Maybe a 4th time to maximize my gains. Thanks for this!
Thanks for the info - saved me a lotta research time - didn't realize these labs were available -
Thankyou very much. +1 I will use this to my advantage.
UFODude this was an AWESOME post. I am the guy that had the 3016 estro levels. I sent you a FR and would love to talk with you more about it. Still trying to bring those levels down...
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AnonWow, grat post man. +1
very imformative and helpful. thanks bro. +1
I just went and trimmed it a bit. kind of long but good info.
This is the most powerful statement in a post which is a fantastic read.
"Ok so you've spent money on the sauce, pins, AI's, PCT but did you budget for Labs?"
Labs should be considered as important as pins?
Another great post +1 for my buddy MegaT!
THIS WAS A EXCELLENT READ BUD! THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO POST THIS!
edit BTW I GOT KARMA NOW SO +1