posted Sat, 11/23/2013 - 06:25
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blast & cruise vs cycling
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I just wanted some opinions on blast and cruising vs cycling . Which is more optimal and does anyone have any experience that has done both
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AnonAfter my first cycle and a proper PCT, 3 1/2 months later, my levels were 357 ng/dL. After my fist cycle, I've never felt like shit! My natural (pre cycle) bloods showed that I was at 495 ng/dL, which is still pretty low for a 22 year old (at the time). I know that I'm gonna cruise after my second cycle.
Wouldn't blast/cruise unless you have to.. the reason you have to is completely your call.. we can sit here all day coming up with excuses when it's okay but it really isn't okay unless you medically need TRT.. You're literally wasting a natural gift you'll never have again especially in older age.. just be aware once you're on long enough it's pretty likely you'll be dependent for the rest of your life
I recently got my blood work done 2 months after a solid pct, while my libido was average and my mood was fine, and I felt like my normal self, I thought I was good to go and felt fully recovered.
Funny thing is my testosterone levels came back at 309 ng/dl... Perfectly normal, if you're 80 years old! I have always suspected I had low T dating years back before I even started juicing due to the MINIMAL muscle mass I would hold even with a solid diet and solid training, my lack of facial hair growth and rarely shaving, constant laziness and unmotivated, and questionable sex drive - - but the blood test finally confirmed it.
So in conclusion I am a self prescribed trt guy now, and I don't mind that I have to shoot 200mg of test weekly for the rest of my life to keep my levels at the high end of normal. Bottom line, regardless if you're a bodybuilder, military, or stock shelves at Walmart, if you have naturally low testosterone then you could benefit from trt. If you have naturally high levels as is and are able to put on size and hold on to it naturally just play it safe and cycle.
AnonBrother I was going thru the same shit you were, after my second cycle, I'm gonna self prescribe trt. I'm probably gonna run at 125mg a week tho, gonna get blood work and see if I have to adjust or not.
jacked84Is that all u do is 200mg a week or is that just to cruise? And did a doctor put on trt or did u opt for it on Ur own ?
Yeah I'm gonna get bloods to see where 200mg/weekly gets me when I start my cruise here in a few months and adjust accordingly to put my t levels at the high end of the normal spectrum. And this is self diagnosed, I don't want this on my medical records.
jacked84Ok thanks for the info I'd like to hear more of how it goes I often wonder about my own levels I guess its time for some blood work
Yeah bro absolutely get bloods done. Unfortunately the state I live in did not start offering blood work until a year after I've been cycling so I will never know my true levels presteroids
Get bloodwork done no sooner than a week after PCT.
Depending on the results, if your natty test is lower than a certain amount, then your doctor may diagnose you as a candidate for TRT which means he/she would be justified in prescribing testosterone for you.
If you are in fact a candidate for TRT, then you would be 'blasting' (cycling) and cruising (time off cycle between cycles.) TRT is a permanent endeavor. In other words, you'll be injecting at least every week for the rest of your life.
It's my strong opinion that one shouldn't go on TRT unless his natty test is chronically depleted and it's therefor necessary.
jacked84I'll have to look into it any idea of the cost without insurance?
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jacked84Well said
Bro, I had written something very similar and posted it and then read your response which made my post above with the '.' (period) irrelevant. The only way to erase your post is to delete everything except one character.
jacked84It's all good bro
Yes brother blast cruise is going to be a death sentence on your nuts.
In my opinion you should cycle on cycle off, make sure time off is as long as your cycle was plus pct time. Keep cycling. If your nuts ever quit working all together then that's when you consider blast cruise.
jacked84Ok so what Ur saying is the major concern is that of Ur nuts being shut down permanently?
Yes. You don't want to see them shut down for good, and the longer you juice the harder it will be to recover. Blast/cruise really is like cycling, except when you cycle you are getting the testosterone from your nuts. Well and when cruising the test levels are going to be more consistent.
jacked84I gotcha so in a sense if u were already shutdown and unable to recover it would be better to just cruise right? I'm not saying this is my case as I would say after shorter then 4 weeks my natural test seemed to cut back on for me i am just judging this by my nuts getting bigger as they atrophied a bit on cycle and when I cane off it seems as tho my libido went down and now it has all started to come back
Nobody should blast & cruise unless they are a serious competative bodybuilder who plans on making a living doing this. That or they have a medical reason to be on testosterone for life. Any other reason just isn't good enough in my opinion.
So how do you feel about continuous blast - no off, no cruise?
jacked84Ya that just seems fukn retarted
What is this a joke? WTF with you? Who are you trolling my man? That's what 3x in a few hours? Keep it up.
It wasn't a joke. Some people are using gear that way. I posted this question and then I went to look at pics. Coincidentally, I was reading another post of yours that I felt warranted debate. Only two posts total. No trolling, Nitti. I promise. Ok?
jacked84Thanks these are the types of comments I was looking for. I'm currently in my pct phase its been almost 6. Weeks and I have 6 more to go after that before I cycle again . I know when u blast and cruise u are actually shutting down your natural test for good correct ? And with that being the fact once u do it there isn't any going back ?
You're currently in PCT? What do you mean that it's been almost six weeks - since you started PCT? If this is the case, why are you doing a six week PCT or are you including the two week wait? And to say you only have six more (weeks) until you cycle again? Can you clarify this? There's no way you should be cycling again that soon. What were the dates of your cycle and describe what you ran.
That's correct. There is no going back.
You need to get bloodwork done asap before doing anything else.
Read this: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/blood-work-bible-...
jacked84Yes I'm currently in pct my total cycle was 12 weeks I took a break of a week b4 I started pct since I ended my cycle with test prop. When I say pct I'm just including my whole time off cycle ill only b taking nolva and Clomid for 4 weeks I've also been taking creatine to keep some of my gains then I began a natty test booster a week ago so it'll be roughly 8 weeks were ill b off of everything except the natty booster. So it'll b 12 weeks on 12 weeks off
Based on your last posted pic, you had 2 1/2 weeks remaining on your cycle on Oct. 12. This puts the end of your cycle at about Oct. 30 or so. And so now you're about two and a half weeks into PCT. You should not begin another cycle for: 12 weeks on cycle + one week wait until PCT + 4 weeks of PCT = 17 weeks from about December 4 which would be April 2, 2014.
12 weeks on 12 weeks off is incorrect. It's 12 weeks on cycle plus All your time on PCT which is another 5 weeks. So 17 weeks total is the time you should take off.
jacked84My cycle officially ended on the 18th of October so I'm over 4 weeks on pct now
jacked84No I ended my cycle mid October the pic itself was taken with 2 and a half weeks left on cycle not when it was posted
Gotcha. As long as you're aware of the 'off time' calculation.
jacked84Ya thanks bro....so Ur sayin to include the pct as on time while I'm takin somethin I've heard count it then don't count it I was plannin on not counting it and havind my cycle begin mid January
Do you have a medical condition where you have to be on test all the time?
jacked84No I do not I just know some ppl who have told me its better to do that then cycle with the bad sides from Ur hormone levels gettin out of whak and just the constant up and down
Nitti said what I was gonna tell u
jacked84Cool like I said just was lookin for other people's opinions on it .....do u have any sides when u come off of cycle as far as Ur mood or anything?
everyone is different but with proper PCT it will minimalize it.. as far as sides I really don't get them I may notice my energy level might not be as high as when I am on but it will return. but DO not cruise on test once your cycle is over come off.. let your body heal and normalize its self.. because if you don't you will cause yourself so much medical problems down the road.
aylmejorWhat medical problems will staying on testosterone cause If I may ask?
It will shut your natural production down where if u ever did come off it would be so hard to get it started again or it could permanently shut you down .. Not smart at all
jacked84I'm wonderin this to these were my main concerns were the health issues are u saying natural test shutdown is the only issue?
aylmejorWere talking blasting and cruising. There's no coming off. Shut down is not a issue. Sooo...
So you're done with blasting down the road. So you just stay on test. What medical issues is this going to lead to??
It's not. It's going to bring your testosterone levels back to a healthy place. Just may throw your hormonal axis off balance unless you really find your sweet spot and get bloods constantly to get there. But sides? What are the long term sides of exogenous testosterone? We don't know. But there don't seem to be any. We know that deca can cause hardening of the left ventricle in the heart. Anavar can cause hepatic cysts. But I don't think I've ever seen a report where testosterone was a direct cause of medical issues. When making these compounds they are using cholesterol molecules so the normal "high bp and hypertension" I'd say watch for. But you're question was what medical problems will blasting and cruising cause. You obviously won't be able to come off. Then you'd have the problems. But you are trying to make a case for jumping on this? Why?
aylmejorThank you for a good response Nitto.
Now are these deca and anavar risks related to continuous prolonged use or are they not relevant with off time. (I'll look into this too while i wait for answer, didn't know so thx for info)
Not really trying to make a case here just wanted to see what the gentleman was saying these medical issue consisted of..
really id think cycling would be worse on health than b$c. Taking these pct drugs to try and restart your production. Turning it on and off year after year, multiple times. When a person could just take test on there down time to relax and let things normalize a bit and a mental break and all that. Aas is a life long commitment in my opinion. Cycling i see as something for ppl who want to use the power of hormones here and there for whatever.there reason may be. I respect that and understand we have many different types of folks here. Just trying to have a decent discussion on the topic.
P.s. My phone prefered to call u Nitto so im gonna run with it.
jacked84Yes I'm wondering the same thing as I was told its healthier to stay on