posted Thu, 11/21/2013 - 09:11
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+ 5 Mass Spec MuscleTech HGH
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This test is for HGH that came from Muscleteklabs.com. The 90% purity and nearly perfect molecular weight show this product is clean and stable. Mass spec testing is usually the definitive proof that a compound is what it says it is, but this is one of those situations where it is only a part of the story.
In order to get the full picture of HGH a serum test AND a MS test should be performed. But there are some that only run the serum test and call it good. So kudos to this source for having his product scrutinized by multiple tests. Between the two we know that its purity, weight, and bioavailability.
Here is the link to the serum:
http://www.eroids.com/pics/muscleteklabs-hgh
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awesome review and discussion just learned soo much
+1. The testing and reading the discussion below... awesome shit! Love you guys.
AssUhlHow do you know the bioavailability when only a mass spec and a serum test have been done?? Can mass spec determine if the molecules are bioavalable or not??
angusMass spec cannot determine bioavailability, no. That is why I linked it to the serum test. HGH is a funny animal and has to be just right to assimilate into the body or else it just passes right through as any other amino acid. So Between the two tests we can develop a full understanding of the compound.
AssUhlHowever, i am by NO MEANS saying that this hgh tested here is not great.....so far its looking very good, but we def need to see an igf test done.
angusSounds like you know more about how it reacts in the human body than I do. I knew that IGF levels played a role in distinguishing certain things, but I wasn't familiar enough with it to talk about it. Blood work certainly isn't my strong suit. But what I do know is that some sources get one test and promote it as good when that may or may not be the complete story. This source is looking at it from more than one angle to make sure it's a decent product, and that is why I think it's a big deal.
AssUhlI agree, having multiple tests does speak a lot of confidence from the source in their product so i would have to agree that more than likely i believe even in an igf test it would probly perform well. Your work is greatly appreciated around here, thank you for this test. +1
angusAnd thank you for giving that info. +4
AssUhlWow, thank you Angus!
AssUhlRight, but a serum test only determines that there is actually a certain amount of hgh in the products through blood serum level, but that does not say that the hgh is actually bioavailable or not. It could be damaged therefore rendering it non-bioavailable and it will still show up in a serum test because its still hgh. I think an igf test to see if the level of hgh is actually "working (bioavailable)" is the only real way to tell.
Wouldn't the closer the test molecular weight is to the determined molecular weight demonstrate that the protein has not been damaged?
This might help: https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/hgh-testing-the-real-deal
AssUhlThis is an EXCELLENT posting brother!!! I mean wow you described this so well in such great detail! VERY well put Empee!
AssUhlNo....weight cant determine damaged or undamaged my friend. I can give you links to very informative research sites on hgh if youd like bro....they are VERY interesting man i couldnt stop reading! It changed everything i thought lol!
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"Between the two"
AssUhlNo bro...high serum level DOES NOT mean the hgh is good...it only means there is actually hgh in the product. It shows up in serum test whether its bioavailable or not. Thats why you cant just base quality off a serum test. Ive seen Riptropin serum at 44 before and the persons igf was in the mid 200s then saw the same test with Norditropin and the serum was 32 and igf was high 300s and they were both injecting 5iu daily and 8iu pre test. The Nords serum was lower but had MUCH more of the hgh bioavailable than the Rips. The quality of the Nords therefore being superior. Serum does not test whether its actually good hgh or damaged, just the level of hgh thats in product. The process of manufacturing real quality hgh requires unrealisticly expensive equipment where they fold molecules which can extremely easily be damaged in the process. This is why youll never see results like you do with real Pharmacuetical hgh like Nords and Seros and Pfizer.
AnonAlthough I agree with you 100% on what you wrote,comparing 2 different people's results on igf elevations does not support what you said. Unless they both have the exact same baseline igf and even then that could be inaccurate. 2 people elevations and reaction can be different. We can both take 5 iu's of the same exact hgh and yours could easily be 100 points higher then mine,because your baseline is higher them mine. But everything else you said was accurate. I just ran an igf of 3 iu's a day of hyges and it was 468. I have switched to nords and will pull igf next month. I am pretty the nords will score higher. And my test will support what you say because it is done on the same individual. I like to run pharma hgh at 3ius. I like hyges at 4ius. I have to run hyges a higher to get the sweet spot feeling.
AssUhlYeah there baselines were equivalent, and yes it can still differ but it is an example or "study" and that's how we know the things we know....with studies. It may not be exact because everyone is different, but it def gives a much greater perspective and a good idea of judging a product....do you see? When compared in us we can never get an exact, however we CAN get a great idea of the product.
AnonNot saying it cant happen, but i would like to see the labs for these. If they are from a different forum you can copy and paste the link. Also the results form 5iu of nords and rips seems a lil little on the low side,but everyone is different. This is another reason i would like to see the labs.
I am fully aware of what as study is. Sorry if i somehow gave you the impression that i was an idiot. I am running a bunch of igf testing myself so we can "study" how IGF differs in the same user with different products.
Yes i agree with this. Generics don't raise IGF as much. So if you run the same dosage of both, pharma will yield greater results. But if you up your dose of generic to raise you igf to an equivalent level as pharma you will see the same results. You can not dispute this with evidence. I just did blood work on hyges and it bought my IGF to 468 at 3ius a day. If i run nords at 2ius a day and it brings my igf to the same level then i will see the same results as pharma.
BillLumberghexactly. there has been instances of a products showing elevations on serum but nothing on the igf-1 front even after weeks of use.
my hyges got me in the mid 300s on only 3.3iu ed
AssUhlExactly! And that is what you call non- bioactive bullshit hgh!