40yo newbie gearing up for first cycle
hello to all.
i am a 40yo newbie gearing up for first cycle.
Stats:
5'9" on a good day
was 300+ 3 years ago - 185 now
BP 110/70 at last reading 2 weeks ago
BF no clue but i know i still have a lot to git rid of around the mid section
because was morbidly obese have moobs still have them (and even have some fat that wraps around to my sides under my arms from the moobs) and even though lost lots of weight with diet and exercise they have not really gone away so i know i am prone to gyno.
i know diet is a must and i do watch my diet closely
goal - lose midsection and moobs and overall body fat, continue to increase muscle strength, size and tighten the muscles
workout consists of cardio and free weights and following lots of routines found on popular body building sites
so this is my question help with a oral stack and dosage to help accomplish my goals. i hit a wall a while back and just cant seam to break through it.
was thinking Dbol liquid and Anavar with Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) with PCT of Nolvadex
what would you all suggest? what dosage would you suggest and for how long of each?
if anyone would like to suggest a different stack, i am all ears, but remember please only oral as i am needle phobic and dont have anyone that could assist.
i think i may be able to handle a SubQ for a HCG but the harpoons used for Test E... i dont think so.
thanks in advance for help and suggestions so i can break through this wall and continue on becoming the me i should be.
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Hey Bro, welcome and good luck. It’s a bit confusing when people start throwing numbers around, huh? You need to learn to find the good advice and distinguish it from the not so good advice. People mean well but that does not mean their advice won’t fuck you up. The problem is that the members who really know may not respond to your thread because they have already written the answers elsewhere. If you look around the site you will find a thread started by Muta, one of the most knowledgeable on this forum, about beginner cycle dosages. Read it! All first timers should be starting at a maximum of 300mg Test only a week. Think about this. He is saying the same thing to a 28YO first timer with 12% BF…So why would you consider more?
If you start at 250-300 you can do pins into quads once a week rather than twice.. An inch long needle is not a harpoon man. But a 1.5 into your glutes will probably make you pass out. Pinning your quads is physically the easiest as you do not have to contort and can control the needle with both hands. So, it’s also psychologically the easiest. Just sit back on your throne, find the spot and ease it in. Do it right with 1-1.2 ml and you should have little PIP. However, it could be anything from feeling like you bumped your leg on a table to someone having run a jackhammer into your thigh, most likely the former. At once a week alternating legs you have plenty of time to recover.
If you can’t do TEST, you can’t do AAS. When I first joined this site, I bought some Anavar. Research around the net said it was the most mild oral and many people wrote of Anavar only cycles and reported good results. I stumbled upon a piece written by another top member of this community. Essentially he said, doing an Anavar only cycle can screw up your axis and you could experience no more hard ons. Maybe I’m strange but that kind of advice resonates with me. But hey, if people don’t mind potentially becoming a lean muscular eunuch, who can stop them.
I understand what you’re going through bro. You need to empower yourself and make some positive physical changes as you head into middle age. Modern chemistry is awesome but with a huge potential to fuck you up. That being said, with your high potential to Gyno, back away from the table and don’t do any AAS now. Get your BF down, your diet and training right, and come on back later.
Get yourself out of this section for now. Head to the HGH section and learn. That’ll cleave your BF like butter. Injecting a BD ultrafine 30+ guage, ½ “, SQ into your belly fat is actually fun and rewarding. It’s like looking down and saying Fuck You take this…Psychologically uplifting and empowering. After a few months your BF will be lower, your skin will be tighter and more elastic, and you should overcome enough fear of needles to slide one into your quad. If you can’t get it, you still need to get right before AAS.
That is what I would do if I were you. And in many ways I am you and it is what I have done. My BF was 19% and 2 months later 15%. I might be full of shit as this is my first time offering advice in this section. Also, I have only recently given my first 300mg quad injection, I loved it and can’t wait to do it again. So take it with a grain of salt and do your own research. I have learned it’s about discipline and I know you have it after reading about what you have already accomplished.
When that $200 worth of anavar whispers to me, “Come on man. Do me. Why waste the cash?” Little Tenn screams…Fuck That!
Wow.. Thank you for the great information. lead me to do a lot more reading and research. from what i have learned form everyone's posts here, especially yours, and lots of other reading and research, i think i will hold off on the AAS until i get my BF down. i went to the HGH forums and learned a lot, and i think i agree with you and many others and think i will go for HGH first, get my BF right then move on to the AAS if i feel like i still need them. I am not trying to be a huge bodybuilder, but just a healthy athletic looking man with a good physique which i know i have a lot of work a head of me. later if i feel i hit another wall and my BF is down then will start looking back into starting AAS.
being so prone to gyno, i was really worried about the estrogen issue and making the gyno worse. and after learning more about how a higher BF can have more estrogen, i really think you all are right. i need to get the BF in check first.
all that being said in the HGH forums and the "My Guide to HGH..." it mentions possibilities of breast tissue growth and mentions taking Nolva. i have a supply of Anastrozole(Arimidex), so the question is in your opinion to protect against possible breast tissue growth, should i go with the Anastrozole or the Nolva, or start with the Anastrozole and then finish with the Nolva (or should i post a new question about this in the HGH forums)? Also, would Clen be a good addition to just using HGH to help accelerate the cut of BF?
thanks again to all who have replied. it has been an eye opening and very educational experience. i would vote most of your replies up, but it wont let me, probably since i am a newbie.
thanks again and see you all around the forums.
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As far as Clen and HGH, I would say one or the other. Again, how much BF are we talking about? You've lost a lot of weight. How is your skin? One reason I suggested GH is because of it's skin tightening effects and other cosmetic benefits and a sense of well being. If you burn too fast, what will your skin look like?
I don't have personal experience with Gyno from GH but I would not run anything until I had sides. Move that to the GH section. You might want to ask about clomid also as that will increase Natty Test. That might be best. Nolva will slightly decrease IGF levels. I think arimidex will be harder to dose and more easy to crash estrogen.
These are just my thoughts and only meant to point you. Others will provide better answers.
the BF is maybe 18-20... but really doubt is more than 20. BF calipers on the way so i can get a better number. my skin is loose and dangling in some places. i was so fat for so long, my Dr tells me it may never go back to the way it should be, specially because i have stretch marks in some places, and not the good places like from having huge biceps or triceps.
i understand about burning too fast, i guess i just got a bit excited to get to know more and understand more and the wealth of knowledge everyone has shared just made me want to burn it down as fast as possible, but you are right, have to think long term here too.
i will move over to the GH section and post some ?s there.
thank you again for your opinions, direction and input.
Congratulations on your accomplishments by losing weight and getting healthier.
You need to get some BF calipers and put a number on your BF%. Then, find out what your BMR is plus your activity. Fine tune your macros regarding your current diet. Make some minor adjustments in what, when and how you are consuming.
From there, if possible, get some labs.
Start HIIT cardio for six weeks.
If you want to cycle you shouldn't use oral AAS, as stated below. Let's start simple first before we start adding drugs. And, when you do that will be chapter 2, one compound at a time, with proper AI and PCT.
Welcome to EROIDS.
good advice bro! +1, also to the op test is best.
Thank you sir!!
thank you. very good info.
RustyhookerNice!! Good info!
Ah.. OK Thank you. in my research, i guess i somehow missed that about the Dbol and Anavar.
so a first cycle of TEST E or C with Anavar would not be a good thing to start with, seeing how cutting is definitely one of my goals.
so you are suggesting a TEST E or C alone, should i use the Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) with PCT of Nolvadex?
and yes, i know gyno is an issue with me. i have been told by several doctors that i am a good candidate for Gynecomastia surgery, but dont want to go under the knife like that until the last resort. hoping i can cut most of the fat in that area with out the knife to minimize the scarring and recovery time.
thank you
waltrlol
the first pin is the worst, it really doesn't hurt going in you'll barely notice it
I'm sorry bud,but no one on this site will set you up with an oral only cycle.Your gains will quickly diminish once you stop the orals.Start watching videos on self injecting and maybe that will help ease your phobia.
RustyhookerEspeciall 2 orals that work in opposite directions.
wonder if he's seen endocrinologist for trt or baseline blood tests?
Congrats on the efforts! He's lost a great amout. Very cool!
Agreed regarding lab tests....
Thank you for the kudos. unfortunately the location i am in makes it very difficult near impossible to get to an endocrinologist.
so the 2 orals work in opposite direction meaning the Dbol liquid and Anavar?
to all that suggest an inject-able, i have seen the site injection videos and that didnt help any. i have always been this way since i was a kid. its not the pai that i fear but the needle. i have lived with pain all my life and had several surgeries and lots of knee injuries. pain has become second nature to me.
anyhow, so if someone where to suggest a combo cycle including inject-able and orals or just inject-able, what would you suggest?
thank you
A simple test e cycle at 500mg a week for 10 to 12 weeks.You could even run less seeing as it is your first cycle..Here is a good post from a supplier on here http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/advising-virgins I don't think you would like dbol.You have lost a lot of weight and the dbol is going to bloat you.You won't like the way you look.Now anavar.If you have a very physical job,you may not like anavar.It causes intense pumps in me.I am guessing you are a fisherman by your name.That's hard work and if you start getting pumps,they are very painful.
Good info bro...agreed!!
thank you. actually, no, not a physical job. i am a computer geek that owns a boat :-) so i sit on my a.. all day, makes it even hard to lose weight. great advice on the Dbol. thanks again
RustyhookerYup!