Trying to stay out of the ER. A little help?
So yeah. I've wasn't cautious enough and am in a bit of a bind.
I'm on day 30 something of test/tren/EQ with a superdrol kickstart but I dropped the superdrol over a week ago. Never ran tren with anything else before obviously not such a good idea for me it turns out.
Test E 500/wk
Tren E 500/wk
EQ 600/wk with 1g frontload first 3 weeks
Last pin was 2-3 days ago I've got a while before the tren clears my system at all.
Dropped the superdrol a week and a half ago because I got sick, didn't see any reason to mix a nice toxic oral with antibiotics. Been off antibiotics for a few days don't know if it's relevant.
Anyways I'm sitting here with a -120 resting heart rate with my hands trembling after waking up from a less than 2 hour nap, some chest pain/pressure around my heart I'm assuming from fluid in the pericardium, my left arm is tingling, and I'm unable to chug water without throwing up. Not to mention some nasty acid reflux probably why I can only sip water.
Woke up at 4am ( its 10:24 am now ) to eat and puked violently ( the first and only time I've thrown up ) further contributing to this fluid situation I imagine, I've been steadily sipping water as best I can since then got down at least 2.5L still not improving but urine isn't dark anymore at least. I've been getting absolutely winded for days just getting around to do anything I knew there was an issue but I never thought it'd go this far. I called a friend to go get me water pills I'll have them soon. Obviously I should've already donated blood but haven't I'm scheduled for bloodwork wednesday figured at the time it could wait until then so I could assess things, I didn't feel like death when I made the appointment obviously.
Probably doesn't help either that I blew up from a semi fat 198 to a lean 213 from the superdrol and am carrying around a lot more weight than normal for my body.
So what happens if I go to the ER with my insurance & what not with this on my medical record? Is it REALLY necessary that I go and fuck up my medical record - I don't care about how bad I "feel" but I do care about my heart obviously.
I'm fully aware of how stupid this was btw. Should've stayed on top of my fluid intake instead of sleeping so many hours, should've already donated blood, etc... I know.
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Muscleg33kHave a speedy recovery brah. Tren is no fucking joke!
AnonOf course this is mere speculation, but I believe the superdrol was the ( main ) culprit for toxicity and tren + being sick helped along the dehydration. I'm feeling better still had some stabbing kidney pains yesterday but today it's very mild. Off to class again in 2 hours lol.
The concern shown here by people I ( mostly ) don't even know is quite heartwarming actually thanks.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkI read your post before you went to the hospital. I just got home from work and logged in to see if you updated. Glad to hear your ok and everything is reversible. Stay healthy friend.
Superdrol . It's a hell of a drug!
Damn get well quickly
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AnonKidney toxicity. Heart is all good.
Official diagnosis was "Dehydration/rhadbomyolysis;Bronchitis"
"Rhabdomyolysis is a condition where injured muscles release harmful substances into the bloodstream. These substances include potassium, phosphate, creatinine, kinase, and myoglobin. Large amounts of these substances may cause damage to your heart, liver, kidneys."
My phosphate was elevated and creatinine was extremely elevated. Apparently this caused all the heart problems as a result, no problems at all with the heart just beating too fast. ECG/enzymatic function was normal. My hemoglobin and RBC are elevated, pretty funny actually they checked everything EXCEPT my hormones. hah. Everyone there commented on my size seems pretty funny that they wouldn't even think about steroids. Good for me though.
When admitted BP was 168/97 ( my highest ever before this was like 131/85! ) I left at 140/70, resting heart rate was bouncing around 110-120 and was down to 92 when I left. They ran two bags of fluid through me.
No permanent damage at all it didn't get that far, I just have to take a week off of lifting & get bloodwork in a week to make sure the toxins have cleared.
The acute bronchitis just made breathing more difficult.
I'm all good. It looks like superdrol was the culprit here to me... still dropping tren anyways because I'm sick of the sides but can't blame it for the toxicity ( although I'm sure it hasn't helped )
Anyways looks like I'm in the clear - I'm glad I went. Thanks Ebros ( and grrrl )
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkWithdrawlSuperdrol took me out in 3 and half weeks. Fortunately got better a couple days after stopping. It's no joke. Glad you're ok bud. Wishing you a speedy recovery and hopefully you'll be back in the gym in a week.
Good to hear man! I'm glad you decided to drop tren and superdrol for the time being. +1 for being smart about this bro and I'm glad to hear that you're ok
That is good to hear brother, glad you did it smart! +2
I m so glad you went .. and that there was no permanent damage.. mwah xoxo
Glad to hear that you're doing better and you have a solid diagnosis. Sounds like you are following proper protocols for recovery. Taking things slowly and let your body heal and you'll be back soon enough. Again, very glad to hear you're okay.
AnonThanks bro appreciate it.
I'll be back at it next week I'm sure.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonThe rest of this cycle should actually be enjoyable with just the test and EQ...
Get your ass to the hospital. A medical bill is worth your life. Keep us updated. Good luck bro
AnonNew symptom. Going to go. I'll be fine no prayers needed I'd hook myself up the IV drip if I had one but I don't happen to have such a thing laying around. Heart rate is still bouncing around near tachycardic status seemingly at random even on Xanax so it's not me freaking out making it worse.
Damnit. I haven't been to a hospital in 10 years since I needed 180 stitches in my thigh as a teen - couldn't exactly avoid that one. I have class and a lot of studying to do tomorrow I can't do it in this state of mind, no fucking way, need to get better pronto.
Thanks for all the advice guys eroids has been such an asset to what I've accomplished since I started this journey <3 a lot of you guys for real. No homo.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkAnonand I'm sorry but fuck tren. Only AAS that has ever given me problems. Dropping it and just running with the EQ I don't even care I'm already one of the biggest and strongest guys in the gym I don't need to be a bodybuilder.
That's a smart move brother! I'm glad you're taking this seriously and going ahead and going to the ER. Keep us posted homie
Two wise moves: getting treated and dropping tren. Again, wish you the beat of luck and I'm sure you'll be fine after treatment. Keep us updated.
dirt naps happen all the time from severe dhydration... having done major ops in the desert I can seriously empathize. I ended up in the hospital ... are you still able to keep the water down and is your heart rate down at all yet? if it is still elevated you should take yourself to the hospital ... water pills ? why so you can dehydrate yourself again ??? bad move
eta: not only that but no so long ago one of our own ended up in the hospital w an enlarged heart due overdoing his dosages on tren ...
furthermore, I am going to bust your chops a bit on your dosages as well.. ok maybe not at the moment.. get your ass to a hospital before you do some permanent damage. You can pay ten bucks a month if you need to on a medical bill
Bingo!!!
i wouldnt really worry about the gear being the cause of your sickness and even if they do put it on your medical record you cant get in trouble for this theyl give you necessary meds and anti Bs for recovery and you might get banged over the head with a copay but its not legal for you you to be repremanded for going to the hospital for any reason i work in one and there are OD's from heroin that come in and they are admitted for a day or so maybe weened off the drugs than sent on their merry way whether they decide or not to do heroin again when they leave is their choice but id absolutley go to the ER if you dont have your health you have nothing
Would you rather have a problem with your insurance and medical records or be alive? You have some VERY concerning symptoms. I appreciate the advice given below, but they are only guessing at what you have. A doctor couldn't accurately diagnose you from just reading what you have written or would they prescribe mess for you from that. The only way to know is to get checked out ASAP! You don't have to tell them what your on at first. Tell them your symptoms and see what happens. If they can't nail it down, then tell them what your on. It may or may not be the cause. I work in the medical field and hope you get treated. Wish you the best.
AnonOh I'd much prefer to get treated. But reality is I'm a near broke full time college student with shitty insurance that only pays for major medical with a 5k deductible and if it's not going to kill me I'm not going.
I'm feeling much better urine is 100% clear now for the first time in probably a week, these water pills seem to work fast. Less fluid in my lungs and much less discomfort in my chest. If I get anything but better I'll go though.
If it wasn't for that left arm tingling business I wouldn't have even posted but that REALLY freaked me out never experienced anything like it. If it hadn't gone away fully I'd be at the hospital right now instead of typing this.
I fully understand your situation. Only you can judge your condition. Please keep on top of it and get help ASAP if these concerning symptoms return. These aren't symptoms/conditions that you self-treat. Again, I wish you the best of luck and health and I'll be praying for you.
A lot of your symptoms describe massive dehydration. I have gotten badly dehydrated before during deployments and was cut off from water. My heart rate went through the roof. I was nauseous, and felt like the ground was spinning out from under me. I also vomited hard. When I got back to medical I was diagnosed with severe dehydration. They had to give me IV fluid because I couldn't drink at that point without the nausea taking over.
I get chest discomfort from tren-e too, bottom side of my heart has a constant throb to it, had it for about 10 weeks before I dropped the tren-e. thought maybe it was from not donating so i did and it did nothing for me, took about a week after last pin for it to go away. bayer might help with BP for right now, probably a few other things some of the other guys use, I use lisprinol so dont know about other stuff. heart burn and throwing up is also common for me, I get it from other stuff as well but tren-e is surely a culprit. as for the hospital thats your call brother, I dont go unless im out of it and someone takes me but that aint smart at all.
been in same situation and this is what i would do...i would take a beta blocker if you have one or something to get that bp stable. is that what you mean by "water pill"? like a diuretic or something? just get on something and then reevaluate your situation when your anxiety is not so high. anyways, when you go to the doctor in a few days for your blood work and physical your bp will probably still be highly elevated and they may prescribe you like a 2 month supply of a beta blocker and assuming your cholesterol is jacked they will probably give you something for that too. that stuff isn't bad to have on hand during cycles to keep your shit together. also your ekg is probably gonna be a little wacky and they are gonna suggest you make an appointment with an echo. if you got the money for it do it but it'll probably run you around 2 or 3 hundred bucks and you will be pissed off when everything comes back normal. assuming everything was normal before you did this cycle i really doubt you caused any long term heart damage. but hey man i'm not a doctor but you need to make your own choice. that said, i got my blood work done and had just ended a cycle and they did not say shit about test levels or anything like that. they said cholesterol was high and everything else was good, they look at thyroid, kidneys, and a couple other things but nothing hormone related. good luck bro! stay calm and good luck man!
Man I think it'd be in your best interest to go ahead and go to the ER. That 120bpm resting heart rate and left arm tingling could be signs of something very SERIOUS! Get your ass on to the ER brother. You don't need to chance this
AnonIt's down to 100 or so. The left arm thing is what set me off along with the chest discomfort.
My piss is FINALLY not dark now and getting clear, heart rate is way down and arm feels normal. Freaked me the fuck out for a minute though. Starting to feel hydrated but if the arm thing comes back I'll definitely go.
That's good to hear! Just keep an eye on it and be ready to get there if things start heading south
tLAMARwI would recommend just to go especially if you have insurance you don't have to tell them exactly what you did. I went to the ER and just said I injected b12 and they put me on an IV drip of antibiotics. Just listen to your body you know it better then anyone else, if you think you need to go then go if you think you can hold out then hold out. Honestly it's probably the superdrol I got more nasty sides from superdrol then I do from 100mg of tren a everyday. Good luck man!