+ 1 MILK THISTLE: Can it be the most dangerous supplement you are using?
After reading that 95% of BB's think milk thistle is garbage, I did a lot of research on it as I already bought it for my 1st cycle. Dude, the only hard study I can find is that Milk thistle has been proven to protect the liver only with acetiminophen (Tylenol) and thats it. They also said it could negate or interfere or worse...force your liver to make a 3rd different compound out of whatever drug you are trying to negate! So I used myself as a lab rat for 6-8 weeks and found that my back pain has gotten much worse while on the same dosage of tylenol and also serious opiate painkillers and also it stopped my insomnia pills from working. Do you really want to take the chance its going to negate the gear in any way you are putting in your body or slow up your progress in any way???? I threw that crap in the garbage and Ive been on it for the last 6-8 weeks(more for heavy tylenol use than gear) and couldnt understand why my pain and sleep disorder was getting worse. ANYONE CAN TELL ME ITS b.s. BUT if it messed up my life so I couldnt function properly for the last 4 weeks and ive only been on the thistle for the last 6 weeks, but yet on these painkillers and sleep aids(ambien) for years..........it isnt coincidence! Now I messed myself up as when I told my doc my pain and sleep aids werent working, hes trying to take me off both of them altogether. I wish i read these articles before opening my mouth!!!
Anyone of you who think its B.S....., then be the lab rat and take some thistle for 2 weeks and then try taking another drug with it. No actually don't do that!!! After what I just read 'and" experienced Id be afraid you would be 6 feet under if you were on too many different compounds.PLEASE STOP USING THIS! I cant believe some herb called "milk thistle" has been the most dangerous thing Ive been adding to my body in my life! And who knows when I was complaining to you guys and asking for help because my 14 week Sustanon and D-bol cycle wasn't working, Im pretty sure I was taking milk thistle more days than no as well there also! Maybe it messed up my cycle completely as all I got was bloat and water weight.( Have a cupful of estrogen anyone?) Whooaaa....Now I just found a link saying milk thistle may increase your estrogen levels. Huh???? This aint going in my body anymore. And now I am finding all kinds of scary stuff after googling"DANGERS OF MILK THISTLE." Its incredible! LINKS BELOW!
http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/milk-thistle-benefits-and-side-effects
http://www.pbiv.com/articles/milkthistle.html
I just now found so many links on different dangers of Milk Thistle, dont want to overload you guys and start a panic, so start with these two here. I had my general bloodwork taken 2 weeks ago and everything was fine so dont think you are going to die.Just stop taking it. However I just took 1 capsules 2x daily(dosage not sure, might be 70mg per cap.), so on and between cycle was probably 12-16weeks total usage over 4 months. Remember it could negate, exacerbate or create an entirely new drug entirely in your liver.Or...it will do nothing. 4 possibilities. For those of you who are on it a long time and think your liver is doing well with it, all I can say is:double zero only comes up once every 38 times in roulette at an American casino. But when it does....the house takes every single bet on the board. They take it all!
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It is worth noting here that about 50% of any given supplement has no active ingredient, roughly 40% is under-dosed & maybe 10% is accurate. Additionally, heavy metal toxicity as well as many other industrial pollutants make their way into this space. It’s the biggest (bar FAR) unregulated industry in the world, supplements. You could have easily been taking a tainted and/or under-dosed product. I’m not suggesting you’re interpretation of your circumstances isn’t accurate, just that it isn’t as black & white as it may appear.
@press1 what’s this nonsense? What do you think
LMAO We are ALL GONNA DIE!!!!! I don't know pal, all I can do is go off my own experience in that my liver results do well when I take the stuff (but yes I do take it alongside other supps) and also my cholesterol levels are always brilliant to the doctors surprise who always expects them to be dire given I run steroids a lot lol Look at the history of the stuff also, its been around for decades as a beneficial supplement to help the liver and digestive tract. They sell it in every supermarket FGS for that sole purpose - if it was damaging and acted as a copy cat towards the medicine you are already taking do you think they would honestly be selling it???!! There is also literature out there saying it down regulates receptors too, so any steroids you are taking aren't nearly as effective - well I must be a special case then because the gear still works fine for me when running it. You know how it is bro - for every article and study saying it works there will be some that says it doesn't. If you can tolerate the stuff then you are still better taking TUDCA or Astragalus root imo.
I know this is old but I have some experience with milk thistle not related to anabolics steroids but the knowledge 100% applies and many of you might not be aware of this. OP is not 100% correct but not 100% wrong. To make a long story short I had some health problems a few years ago and I was taking milk thistle just as a supplement and it ended up working against me.
To simplify things
1. Don’t take milk thistle while taking orals
2. Take milk thistle for 6-8 weeks after you stop taking orals (this can be mixed with whatever other liver support your taking,just not while on oral steroids).
Hope this is helpful and more people see this as it isn’t very well documented or known in this community!
Anthony keidis used intravenous milk thistle treatments to cure his hepatitis c before they had the cure they have now. So that should say it all.
It didn't cure his Hep C Anthony Kiedis is a fucking faggot who is SO full of shit. There's a good percentage of people who's bodies work out Hepatitis C on it's own. Milk thistle did not cure him, he just got lucky and was genetically gifted with a body that resisted it naturally. I must reiterate I like The Red Hot Chili Peppers okay but it can't be said often enough: Anthony Kiedis is a SUPER MASSIVE FAGGOT.
I read the book while i was away. I'm from NYC bro i don't even listen to rock and roll. So i could give a fuck less about him. Clearly u must know something i don't. Because in the book he clearly states it cure him. Shame you waste your energy on caring about such bullshit. Good luck.
And I've never had any diseases so idk. Could care less don't apply to me.
Lol don't take it personally I'm making a joke, all singers are fags. Iggy pop is a fag and I love him
I gotta say, that is a pretty strong stance on Anthony Kiedis. Turns out, I pretty much feel the same. I once really dig their early energetic stuff, but this mature, I-have-opinions era is real fuckin dumb
Oh no they're a great band and Anthony Kiedis is a very talented singer. Unfortunately all talented musicians let being a popular well loved figure go to their heads with very little exception. Also the milk thistle thing is just obviously a weird guy random lie? I used to have Hep C and during one of my many check ins for treatment the blood tests revealed that the viral load had recessed completely and it was gone. I then got a fun lecture from my doctor followed by some interesting personal research.
That’s crazy. Wouldn’t it just repair the damage from the hep c tho, and not actually remove the virus? Or what do I know lol. That’s pretty dope tho, that kinda tells you it works also the fact that’s it’s been used by ancient people for liver cleansing really tells you it works. That’s really the best evidence there is, if something has been on this planet for a million years and all of a sudden it’s being sold for some new purpose, I tend to be skeptical. We’ve pretty much figured out what’s good for what, at least for any noticeable effect
I would think it wont make the hep c that causes cirrhosis go into non detectable, but cure the cirrhosis i think. But same, what do i know
That makes sense….i think
I'm not sure exactly how the curing of hep c goes. I know it took him a few months of 2 week bursts. It's in his book scar tissue i read. Good book too. I know they use interferon now and they do the same thing 2 week burst but it's oral and i know people who had it and did it. They felt like dog shit while doing cuz i guess it's similar to cancer treatment. For sure seems tried and tru though.
I just finished hep c treatment. I don't think anywhere really does interfuron anymore. Hep C is basically curable nowadays. There are a few different medications available.
Did you feel different before getting treated? Like did you have symptoms of hep c? Did you feel shitty? And did you feel shitty on the treatment? And do you feel better now than you did before getting treated?
I never had it thankfully. I'm going off 2015 was when i knew someone who did it. Glad you were able to cure it bro that's official. Thanks for the info
Also, Steven Segal wrote this post - do you really trust that guy considering he is best friends with Putin??!
I love putin. Lol his sister Kelly. Peggy bundy. Ughh she used to give me hard ons when i was a Lil kid and i didn't even know what was going on just one i wanted to do something with it to her. Lmao
Lets see a picture mate - I'm not sure who you mean here lol
Idk how to put pictures on this. I'm not the most tech savvy. Lol I'm just good at picking things up and putting them down!!
Which one the wife or the daughter? @press1 the wife is katey sagal and the daughter is Kristina applegate bother we’re smoking hot 30 years ago in the show. And no she’s not Steven segals wife lol
Oh shit yeah Kelly. Idk to i like Peggy better. She just seemed like a dirty slut. Lol
Okay yes buddy, I see - we are talking a LONG time ago!! LOL
I'll tell ya who use to give me Boners as a little kid - Ursa the female villain in Superman 1 & 2, something about her in the black suit along with the fact she was a cold, nasty bitch!!!
Damn idk about that one, the pictures don’t make her look to great, maybe she’s better in action. You know how there’s some chicks that are just super hot but it’s because if they eat they talk or act or something other than looks, maybe she’s one of those
I guess its because I was so young when we weren't so critical about women LMAO
Is this the same era? It’s weird that now things are trashier but I feel like we’d never see this on tv today
Could be - the lipstick, wallpaper and picture quality look pretty bad!!
It’s like early 90s, I think. When’s that chick from your show from?
Early 80's LOL
Ahh ok well at least they weren’t each others competition, you can like them both!
Damn. Here I am, looking for liver support supplements, and skipping all the ones that don't have milk thistle. Fucking +1 bro! Thank you for the link. +3!
Our liver is very, very tough said one nurse on a drug addiction forum I read yesterday. I believe I read one of the major causes of liver problems in the US is people going over the max daily allowance of acetiminophen which is 4000mg per day. That's 16 tabs of the extra strong!!!!(and much of that abuse is from guys abusing pain klllers that contail tylenol like narco, which I happen toO BE ON)) Because of my acute back pain of 25+ years, Ive been on 4-8000mg tylenol for 25 yrs) My liver lab results as of 2 -3 months ago were perfect along with everything else except thyroid,which is low but a separate issue On the other hand, I am fairly new even at my age ,in the juice game,as my last cyle was 30 yrs ago at age 24 but my hundreds of hours of research, have not led me to one, not one case of anyone having any liver problems with even 1000mls per week of any kind of estered testosterone. I'm sure there are rare exceptions just like some peoples face blow up from aspirin. In fact, I was more afraid of gear in my 20's than I am now. I wish there was an internet back in the 80's. Use me as 1 guinea pig, Ive taken 5-600mls of test and 30-50mg dbol weekly, for 14 weeks for 1st cycle and then now I am taking 6-700mls of test which had included which has to be harsher on your body than regular test enanthate, for several weeks now, and Im fine.Problem is I am at my top weight but if Im not working out much due to pain killers (and very possibly undiagnosed blood problems as the fatigue was there years before the pain killers) In fact I just made an appt at Private labs to get my blood work. If I dont talk about it, it means im not dying! LOL .
**So, I d say worry more about the substances that are likely to mess with your liver than all these crazy supplements. Just my 2 cents. I'm not a licensed health care professional.
***And guys, come on. You who know me here, know how sick my humor can be. But to make a joke out of milk thistle or dangerous liver supplements is not in good taste.
I appreciate your post and think that it's something to investigate. Milk Thistle has been a liver support supplement for years and years. I remember people talking about it in the late 80's. I'm sure it has been used in traditional medicine for hundreds, if not thousands of years. All of this doesn't mean that it's safe or effective. It doesn't mean that is isn't as well. I will continue to investigate it.
Also, making a completely silly joke about milk thistle has nothing to do with good taste, It has to do with comedy. Funny is funny.
Johnny the BullI believe in milk thistle.
I was walking out of the gym tonight and I got mugged by milk thistle. He had a knife and demanded all my cash. True story. Milk thistle is definitely one of the most dangerous supplements out there! ;-)
I also dont think anyone who i get bad replies in my PM read a word i said. I said in a casino they let you win and think you get away with the gamble. then after a long time , double zero comes up and everyone loses(their health goes bye bye). I don't want to trust any supplements anymore. I may even throw out whey protein as im now reading from "real" people AND university studies that it bloats you with all that natural or artificial sweetener they drown it with so you dont see many carbs in it but yur body reacts to the drink as if the sugar was there anyway. thats old news@!!!!!!! anyone remember the studies done on aspartame and diet soft drinks and how nobody but nobody was losing weight with them. in fact regular soda gave one more weright loss with more calories and bodybuilders found diet anything smooths them out. I wasted enough money on tribulous, dim, gaba ,DHEA. My days of being a sucker should have been over but i gave them one more try including the milk thistle never knowing why i was staring at the ceiling all night. yes i dont get to fall asleep at all without a sleeping pill. valerian,dandelion and all the aminos in the world dont do squat. in fact i read sooooooo many "reaL"???? people talking how much energy glutamine gave them and i loaded up on 2 bottle of powder and it did nothing. i see now that most of the effects people believe they get is a placebo effect. Good for them if it helps. anyway, i dont want to argue about milk thistle anymore. Im bored with the topic. JUST WANTED to tell my story, a real story with no testimonials. -) Happy training all!!!!!! lets all be ripped for christmas..............
Anonhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20564545/
Dude there is a bunch of studies backing that plant up
Last cycle i ran dbol last 5weeks of cycle and ehen i did bloods my liver enzyme were only 1point out of range what does that tell u
And did you know Acetemenophen is responsible for 75% of liver failure in USA
That shit is fuckin toxic
hi bat, I agree, id love to get off acetiminophene yesterday! I personally wont trust milk thistle to do it. as MY articel said.....anything that changes the way your liver processes things cannot be good for you. fuck what the govt says, when did they ever help anyone out medically or nutritionally. we all know the supplement industry is 98% a scam. this is my opinion. I can only go by how it acted in my body. should i ignore how it negated all my opiate painkillers and never miss sleeping pills. that scares me. I read your link. It doesnt make me feel better. sound s like double talk to me as if they cant make a decision. But if you feel it helps you, god bless you. i just want people to hear my side. and i did a 14 week cycle and everything was in range and im 54. it doesnt tell me anything,really, bat. to me it just means and i know many will agree...its saying "you got away with another cycle and got lucky."
I think if milk thistle worked ,people would stay on 6 months at a time or do much longer cycles. i dont know why you only did a 5 week cyle if you trust milk thistle. But if it works for you, amen brother.
AnonYea bro Dr. Dont get tuaght to help u nutritionaly thats the nutritionist job and RN help in the department too. Well man nothing is magic milk thistle helps but at the end of the day AAS dont only affect ur liver they affcet your heart your cholesterol, chances of cancer and HTPA shut down so even if milk T could protect ur liver 100% those other factors will still get u
Remember in medicine and herbs nothing is perfect
Oh ok, sorry,bat. Maybe I misunderstood your point. Yes I agree!!! -) I thought you were saying milk thistle is the magic bullet. My bad.
Another possibility is that you have grown tolerant to the opiate which will affect pain level, energy level and ability to sleep. All opiate doses for chronic pain patients except tapentadol must be titrated up periodically to maintain analgesia. Their is no ceiling dose for any opiate that is not bound with acetaminophen/ibprofen/naloxone, and also, if you are taking an opiate bound with tylenol (vicodin, norco, lortab, ultracet), make sure you arent taking any additional acet on top of it.
But interesting point about thistle, Ill definitely be looking into it.
Obama BlowsGet some Liv. 52 bro
AnonYea Liv.52 is bad ass too i research each plant individually in pubmed and they all have liver protecting properties
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