posted Mon, 09/02/2013 - 00:12
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+ 2 B1004HG Green Top Generic HGH "Raw Powder Test"
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Lab results by beaker
Explanation of raw powder testing
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/mass-specs-on-raw-powde...
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Beaker/Angus what does it mean that is a different number from the Fisher HGH? Also I am curious what a vial of say sero's contains quantity wise in comparison?
angusFischer is a lab standard, a reference to the perfect specimen of hgh molecule. The closer to that molecular weight, which is measured in daltons, the "better" the hgh. The body makes different forms of GH, each of which has a unique molecular weight falling in the 20k to 22k range. Synthetic GH on the other hand usually falls into the 22K standard size. Kinda like a one size fits all. This is the reason that the exact same synthetic HGH will affect people differently.
The answer to your second question cannot be answered without additional information, youcask what Sero's contain in comparison to what? the generic in the test? that is unknown at this time. we would have to compare apples to apples as it is nearly impossible to ascertain the differences based on molecule weight and structure. The bioavailability also plays a role as well. The hgh molecule need two other molecules to bond to SIMULTANEOUSLY in order to be effective. You can find the full binding sequence here LINK. If the molecule is too large as is discussed in this post LINK then it becomes ineffective and is merely broken down as a protein and utilized as such.
I hope I have answered your question.
Thanks Angus. My second question was in regards to "quantity" of hgh per vial comparison, but if it was just a small sample I suppose it wouldn't be accurate. For the consumer one would think the amount of actual HGH per vial is only second to strength.
angusOh, I see. I hope I'm not offering too much when I say that it was a sample size and not what people normally purchase. Until such time as we have a 10iu vial of each we cannot make that determination.
Dr. BannerI sent in a 10iu vial. Ill get with beaker and have him post here and explain.
A 10iu vial was submitted for analysis. We add the H2O and mix according to instruction. We then draw out about .1ml or 1ul and then run that. There are actually 2 tests for HGH. One is for the presence.... and the second if for purity. People do not realize just how powerful HGH is. It is a "master key" if you will on the entire system. So, in reality it really does not take much to affect a change. That being said, we try our best to extrapolate the quantity based on the sample size. It is not an exact number but close based on ION counts... the information you should be gaining is it's presence and purity.
does that mean that this vial has roughly 2.5mg total?
If a sample 1 microliter was used and contains 0.025mg then 100 microliter or 1ml would be 2.5mg? which equates to 7.5 international units?
I know the mg is just for mass but for HGH to be dosed at 10iu the milligrams hormone need to be at a certain weight to equate to give the effects of 10iu per vial. Would you say these green tops are dosed correctly or at least close to being dosed to 10iu?
Beaker...this clears up alot for me but I still have a question or two. Just trying to get a better understanding of these lab results and what all the numbers mean so that I can make educated decisions when it comes to putting these in my body. Just know Im not trying to nit pick this info just trying to be in the know.
?1) Mixing to instructions then would mean 10iu in 1.0ml of dilutant. Then 0.1ml (100ul) of the dilutant would roughly contain 1iu of hgh depending on purity? So based on the results ( check my math here) 0.1ml (which is the test volume/sample) would contain 0.025 mg or 0.075iu. Thus this vial would contain 7.5iu total.
?2) On the first pic of the lab results it says "inject5 ul" whats that in reference to?
Sorry for the anal retentiveness....just trying to not go crazy figuring all this out. I do appreciate you and Banner providing these lab results because for some of us its nice to know what and how much of this stuff we are actually putting in our bodies.
.075 iu per .1ml x 10= .75iu per 1 ml vial.
Thanks for the mathematical correction. So bottom line is these 10iu vials actually only contain 0.75iu and not 10iu. Correct?
Lets let the source or the analyzer clarify this.
Sounds good...thx for your input.
That makes perfect sense, I thought of that too so I guess it technically means 7.5 IU per vial. Maybe not but what u said makes sense
angusMy mistake, I was clearly confused.
Dr. BannerTHANK YOU BEAKER AND ANGUS FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO NOT ONLY FOR ME BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY!
Seros come in either 4,5,or 6 mgs per vial. The 5 and six come 7 vials per kit. I have never purchased the 4mg ones.
I think ice is referring to the molecular weight. 22125.0 vs Fishers at 22145.0
Maybe compare some of the other injectable raws molecular weight. Maybe there's a certain variance allowed in the testing that still shows it to be HGH?
I think your right on the first half of his statement but maybe the second half if his statement was a reference to compare how many mgs are in a seros vial of gh compared to this test product.
Yip. You're right. The "fake" Jins that I did a Mass Spectrum test also had a slighly different molecular weight. Not sure if that means anything. But it tested 99% pure HGH
angusI knew it! That's all I'll say about that. Mass specs don't lie, right?
Lets talk a second about that 191. HGH is a cobination of peptides who's major physiologic component is a single chain polypeptide of 191 residues with a molecular weight of 22K Dalton. With Dalton being the molecular weight. When we start seeing 192 residues then we are certainly not looking at hgh. It may trigger some hgh testing but starts to veer off in the direction of IGF. The synthetic availability of that compound is negligible.
So would two different brands of pharma GH, say Sero and Nordi, have the EXACT same molecular weight?
angusIt is possible, yes. Probable? no but close.
angusboth the 191 and 192 residues have the same approximate molecular weight, ranging in the 22k Dalton.
WOW! Now that's interesting....
angusHere is the link
http://www.reprokine.com/Human%20Growth%20Hormone%20Recombinant%20192AA%...
Very interesting....but now I'm even MORE confused...thanks a lot ANGUS! Lol
Frisher HgH is the control that the test substance is compared to.
It says .025 mgs present in vial. Was the vial test in the same presentation as what will be for sale or was it just holding a small sample for testing?
angusIt was not representative of the retail sizing.
Thank you cuz.
I saw that also. I'm thinking he's got HGH pre-maid in raw form and just sent out a test amount and not an actual "10IU" vial. If not then you'd have to shoot several bottles for one dose, but that can't be the case.
On the hgh powder that was tested right before this lab the following statements were made.
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waltr 2 days ago
Banner, is this a 10iu generic vial or is it just part of some bulk raw hgh powder from the supplier/manufacturer?
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Banner Balboa 1 day ago @waltr
This will be the HGH that I will be selling along with what we already carry now.
I guess we will find out when the source has a chance to respond.
That is my question as well because 0.025mg converts to 0.75 IU.
I currently have 5 mg vials of seros. The premixed nord pens I've used are 10mg per pen in 1.5 ml of water. I add 7.5 ml of water to make my vials the same as the nord pens. At that mixture each .1 on a slin has .625 mgs of gh which is 2iu. It gets confusing because the most of the pharma are in mgs and the other gh seams to always be in iu. 2ml of water don't make 20 iu of gh. But I'm not sure if this test product was just a sample of powder put in a vial to be test or a race ready retail vial. But your calculation of .75iu of gh is probably dead on.
Actually .25mg converts to .75iu. That appears to be the dose in the other gh powder tested that is in a retail presentation. .025 would be .075 iu but angus said this sample was just a sample not a retail version.
your right...my calculation was off by a decimal. Thanks for the correction. I hope angus is right that this is just a sample and not a full reconstitution of a 10iu vial.
angusTo get iu's from mcg is merely a mathmatical formula. But you can use an online calculator as well. Here is the LINK
Tell it what your converting, the category you want and then select growth hormone and you'll see It spits
your answer.
Thank you again.
u carry these already?
Dr. BannerYes I will have enough for stock very soon.
sweet broo what price u looking @ 4 blues n greens any idea ?
Dr. BannerNot sure yet brother but it will be ALOT cheaper than the brand I am currently carrying. I will continue buying the hyges, rips, and jins however this will be a cheaper alternative