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second cycle advice

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I have recently finished the pct from my first cycle which in my opinion was a success and helped me get a feel for AAS. I ran 600mg test e for 12 weeks, and 50mg tbol for 1-6. Made some good strength and size gains and have kept the majority of both after pct.

I am now thinking about my next cycle which i plan to start in around 8 weeks, before which i will get bloods done. I am thinking about wither a test/dbol cycle with a prop taper, or a test/deca cycle with a prop taper.

I was going to keep test at 600mg for 10, as i dont feel the need to up it considering i gained well on this first cycle. I was going to run dbol at 50mg for 4 weeks, or deca at 300-400mg for 10 weeks. I was then going to use test p as a taper for 2-3 weeks, commencing pct 3-4 days after my last pin (unsure on that bit, advice needed!). I will be using aromasin as an AI throughout either cycle at 12.5mg ed, and i will be using prami at 0.25mg upped to 0.5mg if needed if i end up running deca. PCT will be nolva 20/20/20/20, clomid at 50/50/50/50 and aromasin at 12.5/6.25/6.25/6.25

I am in no rush to experiment with other compounds, so my question is which would be preferable for a second cycle in your opinions and why?

Edit: forgot to say im 6ft, 97.5kg @14-15%bf

MedDx's picture

What was your weight before your first cycle? You weigh about 215 lbs., right now? If you start your next cycle real soon, and you have fully recovered, as evidenced by proper blood work then run your next cycle with methandrostenolone 25mg for 6-8 weeks with Liv52. And, run your testosterone 750-1000mg per week for 15 weeks. You will get a better response from you AR, since it is so close from your last cycle. Then, get labs at the seventh week and six weeks after PCT has finished. If the second cycle is just going to be the above mentioned compounds, then NewChaapter gave you the standard PCT protocol. In addition, your exemestane (AI) should be started around week 2-3, probably at 6.25mg per day, so you don't destroy all your estrogen. Check for edema in the ankles and acne for high estrogen.

I know you are anxious, but wait to run a 19-nor (13 weeks) and test prop (3-4weeks) kicker on your third, or fourth, or maybe even fifth cycle, with a testosterone base (15 weeks). If it is your fifth cycle, then you can add another oral kick start like methasteron (4 weeks 30mg/d) and add a boldenone undecylenate (15 weeks) to the testosterone base. I probably told you way too much, already. Toremifene (120/120/90/90/60/30) and clomiphene (100/100/100/50/50/50) should be used for PCT if and when you use nandrolone decanoate. And, your dopamine agonist should be ran about three weeks into PCT, if you run nandrolone decanoate. And, then you will need hCG, too.

GS91's picture

whole lot of info, will hold of on the deca for a few cycle in that case. Also going to leave it a bit longer between my previous cycle due to the recommendations below!

jackarow's picture

Bro you mentioned your first cycle was a 12 week test cycle with t bol kicker. Just recently finished pct and now in 8 weeks starting another.. Im gonna guess that if you get bloods before you begin that your gonna see you havent fully recovered yet. Did you get bloods before your first cycle? So you can know for sure if youve recovered. Im by far not the most experienced member here but time on plus pct equals time off. You dont want to screw up your endocrine system bro not at 21....

GS91's picture

stupidly i didn't, and i do regret this now. As above, will hold off a bit longer and get the bloods to check recovery.

BlackDoug's picture

Ok I just looked at your stats and 21 yrs old is a little young to be running anything. Definitely not a 19nor! Dude if you concentrate on your diet and workout routine you are already making all the test you need. If you insist on doing a cycle stick with the protocol I recommended. PCT on the nolva is better at 40/40/20/20 and the clomid at 100/100/50/50. This will help ensure (not guarantee) kicking your natural test production back in. You don't want to half ass your PCT! And again..... Good luck!

BlackDoug's picture

Personally I'd say stick to the dbol 1-4 weeks with a test e/c 1-12 week run and the test p as a taper right into PCT. thats a solid second cycle right there. I just think its best to take it slow and get everything you can out of you early cycles before you venture over to the 19nor side. I would consider that close to advanced cycling. Go through the cycles and build on each 1 so that you'll achieve really nice gains each time without effing yourself up. I've heard more than once hear and I believe it wholeheartedly that it's a marathon not a race. For me with each cycle I have learned more about diets and supplements that support your cycle to stay healthy on the inside and not just look good on the outside. Ill be on my fifth cycle coming up. I've built on each one and stayed healthy doing it. I'm even looking at peptides for support on and between cycles. You get the knowledge under your belt on all aspects like diet, supplement support , peptides, even workout routines and you'll be healthier for it and still look damn good! JMHO Good luck bro!

GS91's picture

cheers for the advice, appreciate it. I will wait a bit longer and just stick with the test/dbol. Like i said, not in any rush to be trying new compounds, will wait until i have a few more cycles and years under my belt before using the 19nors!

GS91's picture

noted, would 300mg be underdosed or be ok for a first time user of deca?