Need help please!
So guys im kind of torn on what to do, I am not quite as lean as I want to be, yet very far from how big I want to be. I know guys have succesfully recomped(gain muscle and lose fat) but I dont know how well I would be able to do it, or would it be better to focus on one or the other? My main goal right now is muscle and lots of it, however when I bulked up on test I put bodyfat on it and my physique wasnt where I want it to be because of the fat gain. I dont wanna do a pure bulker because If i put on some more body fat then im farther away from how lean I wanna be, but I also dont wanna do a cutter and get lean because I am smaller and even further away from my main goal. I know theres different ideologies like build the foundtion before you paint the walls and etc. My main question is there a good way to set up a cutting cycle bridged into a bulk cycle? maybe 6 weeks low test/ var or winny with a keto diet, then bump up the test and add some NPP? I just feel like going one way or the other isnt conducive to my goals yet a recomp might not be a big difference? idk guys thanks for any input tho
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BigBmajIf you are nowhere near as big as you want to get I'd suggest just clean bulking. Don't stress about the body fat now - just get big. Determine a caloric requirement to gain lean mass without putting on much body fat and run with it.
If you sit on the fence you'll not really be terribly effective at achieving goals.
I've read things about leaning out before bulking many times. They say it makes it easier to gain after a cut, it's easier to see what's going on, and it looks better. That sounds great but I don't really see it working as well. It's easier to get lean the more muscular you are and that's pretty obvious.
It doesn't even make much sense to lean out quick for the next 5 weeks. Why? So you can drop 2-3% body fat which will probably be gained back during lean bulk - as you are figuring out caloric requirements??
I could be totally wrong but this is what I tell the heavier guys that ask me, and this is what I see working for them.
TropicanaJuiceThat makes sense I mean if you check out my pictures in my fat lol just would like 6 pack and some nice serratus anterior muscles... Skinny guy with abs is like a fat chick with big tits lol. I have mass deff everyone tells me I'm big but I'm not where I personally wanna be. As far as cutting for the next 5 weeks I figured say I get down to 10ish then I clean bulk I will be happy with my body fat, again lean bulking I'm trying to avoid body fat gain.
BigBmajI catch myself staring at large women's breasts all the time. Can't help it
I hadn't looked at your pictures. Bro just get big for now. The pursuit of abs has ruined many people's attempts at a good physique. I don't know your goals but if I were you - I'd put on 10 - 20 lbs of nice solid muscle and start considering leaning out next year.
You are young so I don't recommend any cycle. I'm sure you've made up your mind - and that's fine, I'm sure you can find good advice on that. But stack on some nice mass and worry about the abs next year.
Don't waste your time loosing 10 pounds right now. I don't see the point.
Don't loose sight of the big goal by getting distracted by "the fat girls tits" bro.
TropicanaJuiceHahah solid advice man much appreciated
TropicanaJuiceI think I'm gonna do cardio and diet for 5-6 weeks then go on a lean bulk you guys are right with everything u said. Thank you for your help! I really appreciate it you keep you g guys on track.... Vewi I'm sorry man hope your not on tren right now haha
VewiTropicanaJuiceHaha let me know when your off ;)
AnonYou're 21? Whatever you do please don't run a cycle for 5months. Dangerous shit for a 21 year old.
I personally don't like AAS use for guys that young but if you must. Do short 6-8wk short ester cycles. TestP and one oral. That's it. It will limit your exposure to harsh sides and limit the danger you put your HPTA in.
Eat like you mean it and train like u mean it. AAS won't get you to your goals. Heart. Desire. Dedication. Proper mentoring from a diet n fitness expert. That's how you're going to get it done.
Vewior do a lean bulking cycle.
1-4 test p 100mg EoD
1-4 Dbol @ 50mg ED
1-18 test E @ 375mg a week
1-18 EQ @ 900mg a week
18-21 Test P @ 150mg ED
18-21 Anavar @ 75mg ED
AnonHe's a kid. Just thought u should know. 5month cycle layouts for a 21 ur old is dangerous ground.
Vewimy bad brother, i should have asked and you are correct and i deserve the thumbs down... thanks for putting me in my place.
AnonMan it's not about that at all. If another person would've posted what u posted I would've said the same thing.
Our deal is our deal. I never should've brought it public.
But everyone who knows me including the young guns J223 Brambo Xvbeast know that I'm a stickler for moderation at a young age. But each of those guys have shown dedication and desire. And I gladly helped all of them regarding a myriad of topics.
I did give all of them a hard time at first bro. But in the end even if I don't agree we all brothers up in here and they can always count on my help no matter what it is.
VewiO im fine with it brother, nothing against what you pointed out to me. And i agree with what you said.
AnonYou and Cdaddy should line this pup up. Cdaddy has the diet and you can write up a safe cycle. Build this bubba a nice foundation bro.
TropicanaJuiceWhat's wrong with six week test prop and var then continuing into 9 weeks npp and 10 weeks test? That would be 16 total week plus I would have 6 weeks to lean out and 10 to build?
AnonWell IMO u have it backwards a bit. Always build before u lean out. It's the way Bodybuilders have always done it. Plus to to both in one cycle normally takes the best of the best months to accomplish. It's a lot harder than u think.
But in the end its ur body bro. Ur call. Not mine
TropicanaJuiceCurious to why u say its so hard when guys claim they lose fat and gain muscle in one cycle? This would be 6 weeks focusing on cut then 6 focusin on muscle. I just feel like muscle with too much fat, lower abs and love handles for me isn't worth it, yet I'm at a stage where if I cut I feel too small?
It depends on your body type. For me since I'm a hardgainer when I gain mass I tend to drop a little bodyfat as well. If I'm lean bulking that is. Or if I just do all out bulk and put muscle on your body will require more calories to maintain that muscle so your metabolism will go up and you will not gain as much fat while holding more mass.
Bulk then cut seems to be best. Unless you are severely obese then you should cut first before bulking.
TropicanaJuiceYa I have a mix between endomorph and meso, parents are fat however I was skinny and could eat whatever the fuck I wanted up untill college when I stopped playing football and lacrosse, then fat came on, I'm deff not obese but not as lean as I want to be that's why I'm torn
AnonClaim is the key word. To do it right takes awesome genetics and years of experience. Again when when u cut first and then bulk ur back right where u started bro. Build then cut. Ask any bodybuilder man.
TropicanaJuiceWhat do you mean ill be right back where I started? What if I cut then did a lean bulk without putting on fat? Not trying to argue just looking for answers lol
Vewii think im going to shoot myself.
TropicanaJuiceHaha sorry man just like to soak up as much knowledge as possible
VewiX2
NPP is extremely suppressive man. Trust me you don't want to deal with deca yet it will shut your system down so hard which is not cool at our age. Too late for me If I could go back I would have skipped on my deca cycle last year.
A good 9 week test prop/anavar cycle should be fun for good strength and lean gains with minimal suppression
TropicanaJuiceOr even 6 week cutter 6 week builder
TropicanaJuiceI think I have the diet down well, was getting lean but was on basically a keto diet and had no intensity for training or energy so I started to add in a little it of carbs but got discouraged cuz strength and mass went Down. I should just suck it up and cut naturally then do a lean bulk cycle
TropicanaJuiceAmen bro that's why I love this site, ppl are alwaysss here to help
TropicanaJuiceWe all make mistakes yes I'm younger lol, I didn't wanna do 5 months anyways my gf would kill me. How does this sound week 1-4 test prop, week 1-6 anavar. Week 4-? Test e. then when I finish the var add some npp for 9 weeks and up the test for 10 weeks, that way entire cycle in 16 weeks, I have 6 weeks of fat burning and then 10 weeks to put on lean mass once I got leaner?
AnonHave you ever run a short ester cycle?
Since you're hell bent on this. Stick to an 8wk blast. U pct and then rest 6 months. Time on+pct = time off.
TestP 1-8 150mg eod or man up and do 75mg daily for a more steady blood saturation.
Anavar 50-75mg daily wks 3-8( dosage depends on whether u cramp or not)
Pct two days post last injection wks 9-12
Time off 6months
Basically brother if you can't lean out or build muscles naturally you are putting yourself in a position to become AAS dependent for the years to come.
Yes u want to grow fast and lose fast. So that's why u add in AAS. Just don't let it be your crutch.
Get with Cdaddy on Diet. Zewi is a genius with cycles. He can build u one based on a short term young mans HPTA safe layout. He just didn't realize ur age. Honest mistake.
Just remember bro Gfits and my favorite saying. "There are no finish lines" that means take it slow. Build up a pure base. Not a puffed up inflated one.
Test yourself. See if you can lose and gain in 8wks. If you can't get results in 8wks u won't get any in 16 or 20. You can do it homie. Protect your body first and foremost.
TropicanaJuiceTo the rescue again lol, what do you mean in terms of lean bulk? Like put on muscle without fat gain, or put on muscle and lose fat thru the course of the cycle?
Vewilittle fat at the start with the dbol but get some mass going.
Eq is a lean mass builder no fat.
test is low enough to not see what you experience with test e.
end it with test p and some var and you have gained mass with little fat if any if your diet is good.
and its solid.
TropicanaJuiceAny way of doing like 6 weeks pure cutting get down to like 9% like I want then continue into that lean bulk cycle obv shorter? Basically reverse the order in a sense
ClassyChassisYou can add muscle without getting fat. They're two totally different processes. First, control estrogen with an AI. Estrogen makes you fat. Second, eat a lot of protein, but not a lot of carbs. Maybe 200g on days you don't train, and maybe 400g on days you do train. Maybe 500g on leg day. Something like that. And only eat fat with protein, not with carbs. You want to make insulin from the carbs work for you, not against you. There's really no reason to get fat. You only need enough carbs to maintain muscle and liver glycogen. Anything in excess of that will be converted to fat. There's nothing else your body can do with it. And you need to eat plenty of protein if you expect to build muscle. At least 2g per lb/bw/day and 3g are better. That's it.
TropicanaJuiceTrue your right man, ever heard of carb backloading? Seems right in line with what you have said, also I feel like I gained fat because I was over eating big time, like 1k-2k above Maintainence on workout days and right at maintenance on most off days
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