+ 18 Degeneration: its in YOUR hands
I have been around Eroids for long enough to "know better," that seems to be the only phrase that truly justifies the shit I have seen. I generally know when someone is about to get publicly hung by a mod, slammed by the fanboys or said something that is going to create an all out shit storm. Believe it or not, this is all controlled by YOU I can smell the shit, the scams, the lies, the blackmail a mile away.
With it increasingly easy to gain karma by selling the integrity of your wife, or getting in bed with other members who care nothing more than to get a bigger number by posting meaningless nothings. With that number believe it or not, comes responsibility. If a source you're saying is producing amazing gear, comes back as bunk - people look to you. If you're the #1 fanboy for a source that is selective scamming people, it rides on you. There was a day in age where 300+ karma took about a year to earn; not two months. With that being said, I think there are a lot of people ranked outside their boundaries and people who get overlooked with valuable knowledge. I see people with hundreds of points that are asking if they're going to die from using the same pin to draw and shoot. Who's responsible for this - YOU (sorry guys, I can't vote lol) From a sources perspective, who's responsible for the cry babies who feel we are entitled to give them free gear... that is our fault. We most assuredly brought this upon ourselves, as suppliers. If we started selling gear at $10 a vial, a new supplier selling at $20 would be considered way overpriced although we so quickly forget the $100 a vial we used to pay in the gym. Now, a promo isn't worthy if 500 people aren't getting full cycles as a handout. Now, lab tested gear at $30 a vial "just isn't that appealing." This site is what we all decide to make it. BFG has ultimate power but other than following the rules, this all falls back on US. I ask you all to question your self worth. Can your review be bought simply by getting a pack of gear you may never use? Do you promote sources just because the benefits you reap, although you know their gear is mediocre at best? Posting pictures of gear you never got, or gear you will never use. This site intrigues me to say the least. The human interaction, the cliques, gossip and to see what goes on behind the scenes that many people are shielded from. Just my .02 for the night, take it or leave it. I think anyone who has been on Eroids for some time now can feel this.
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Well said.
56too......
I myself have never asked for anything for free. I think people these days are lazy and have no respect for themselves to ask for something like this. If you cant afford gear than how r u going to afford to train and eat the amount of food u need to do a cycle. this is a great website full of knowledgeable people and I am glad to be apart of eroids and am glad its around. great post muta
A well thought out post that addresses some of the issues that this site faces on a daily basis. As good as this site is, its not without its flaws and I'm glad to see that someone took to time to bring these issues to light. Perhaps the members could create a committee that could work with the mods and BFG to try and resolve some of these issues. This is our site and its our responsibility to make it as safe and as useful and possible.
AnonThis reminds me of big government. From what I can tell a new committee won't help. It's up to us to fix this.
I agree with this 100%! Some folks won't like this and feel like its offensive for anyone to question their motives. Oh well there's always other Forums they can go join if they don't like it.
Well said Muta. I know first hand that when someone sends you free gear to try, it's hard not to be biased. Also, based on what I have seen... there is almost no correlation between karma and actual knowledge. However, that's not to say some high karma members aren't highly knowledgeable - rather, it's more like be careful who's advice you attract and who's advice you take.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with free gear either imo. The problem lies in the integrity of a review and it can be compromised easily, especially when you're offered additional "motivation" to get that done. There are also these people who feel completely entitled to free gear for every promo which I personally can't stand. I had no idea that you could have someone send you gear at no cost when I jumped on eroids. I look at it now as a nice bonus but hardly the reason I am here. I believe in supporting something you believe in and if there is a source that's doing a great job, I want to support that business so it can grow by giving them my money - genuinely. The same goes for eroids as a whole, and the only way to truly support this site is to be honest on every review, get bloods done on your cycle and post, and try to contribute in the best way that you can. There will never be a time when every single person does those things but for every person that does the site becomes that much more valuable.
AnonMuta this post is really applied with a wide brush.
I know myself I have made a few orders from the #1 source and never ask for anything free. The email address was changed so it will only show the last 2 orders.
Because of my patronage it has excluded me from participating in any promos. All promos have been geared for members who have never tried or purchased from this number one source. I don't understand if there is something I can do or if you are just wanting to vent.
Anon.
I think it would solve the begging problem if I could neg the shit out of it as I see it in the promo section.
AnonAs always, written from the heart with nothing but truth and great perspective. Be a shame for these words to fall upon deaf ears.
AnonWords of wisedom! Muta keep up the good work! I've been on Eroids for over a year and worked for the karma I got. I gotta work harder, I amit tho lol! +1 bro!
I guess the freebies should just be out the door altogether then, for the sake of intergity. New sources set-up shop on this site at such a rapid rate. I've been here almost 2 years now and I've seen tons of sources come and go. There's a commonality though...free samples.
Sources set-up shop and pitch free samples. I'll comb through the SI threads, pictures, review threads and can see that samples tend to make their way to the same group of people on a regular basis. And as luck may have it, the reviews for the samples are up almost instantly (all positive of course, why not? It was free).
So this begs the question, how many how these reviews for samples are authentic? Hell, there must be guys on some perpetual cycles because they are constantly running and reviewing gear non-stop; year round. Understandable that some of these guys are TRT, but that usually encompasses long esters. Samples by nature are generally short esters so everyone can hurry up and churn out their review. Just too many gaps and inconsistencies, which would obviously lead to a question of integrity on the reviews left.
Karma seems like more of a measure of interaction within the community. I wouldn't place stock in that number interpreting it to someone's worth giving reviews our supplying valuable insight.
As far as degeneration of the site; it's definitely the users and not the concept that are hurting it. If you know who's BS to weed through, you're pretty set. I came to this site a couple years ago because it was the most unique concept that I've seen. I occupied a couple boards prior to that, none of which carried the depth and value that this site had to offer. The layout, concept and level of interaction was spot on here. I love this site and haven't logged on to any other boards since joining here. But I agree that some people really need to step their game up. Or maybe some of us who are a little more observant need to start calling people out on their BS instead of lurking in the shadows.
I have been riding 26 kharma since we first spoke bro.
I DONT CARE. I seek knowledge
I seek enlightenment, I seek the strength and wisdom to make my own choice, and to understand my consequence.
Eroids hit me hard in several places in my life. The game is the game Muta, like it or not your setting the standard today. When I do business I think about how Mcd's trained me. I think about how some stranger on eroids with nothing to prove treats there custyy like a face to face big mac transact.
THATS SOME REAL HUMAN SHIT> FUCK GREED
But I really see how BFG and others created a community that is ever changing and difficult to predict.
The community has aided me since day one. Guys like FAST, Tread, FINA FAN, steered me NEVER SPOON FED ME.
yea things changed muta. I continue to watch my custy in the restaurant order fish, but ask for chicken when the fish hits. "I DIDNT ORDER THIS"
America expects a system of freebies and weaklings to direct them to a distopian bliss.
ANYONE CAN BE THE CHAMP
YOU HAVE TO FIGHT< YOU HAVE TO WANT< YOU HAVE TO NEVER QUIT
IS ANYBODY HERE STILL LEFT ALIVE??????
MeinuntergangIt's really sad that the foundation of something that's supposed to connect suppliers with 'fans' is being compromised due to sheer stupidity, ignorance and greed of some, that ultimately all have to pay for. I agree, Karma has really lost its meaning, I used to really pay attention to anyone who was a level or more above me, but many of 'fan boys' and 'ultra knowing' (all karma-ed up!) peeps have disappeared over time, mostly for undeserved points, or whoring and manipulation of the system, let's just call it what it really is. Unfortunately, the damage they do persists. And, it seems like some of them return, hopefully this time they're rehabilitated but the number of Karma that has been accumulated by one of them in less than week tells that there is something not-so-right.
I owe this website a lot, for both connecting me with good suppliers and for allowing me to connect with educated people who have enriched my knowledge. Oh, and others who should be set ablaze, just for the good of the human race.
I agree.. things will change when the majority get fed up
ClassyChassisI haven't been here long, and Muta, I don't know you. But I'm a man who sees clearly, and I've seen enough from you to know that you value your integrity. In my eyes that's the measure of a man and you have my respect for what it's worth.
Dr. BannerGreat post man. This is so true.
MilKmAnYeah that shit is funny AF.... Pretty sure you'll have those same people commenting on your post agreeing with you.... First it was annoying seeing members with high karma getting like 10+ karma for some retarded post by lower members in hopes for some love back..
And people really need to start ignoring the karma ranking on most members here (there are a few that are very helpful and knowledgeable) and do further research on what their putting in and using a little common sense. (Like your previous post on HGH) I know a lot of guys here have some serious goals here but I would never inject that Chinese shit in me
I always look forward to reading your new posts bro. Quality!
JHWell said. We are all here to learn from each other in some way or at least should be. As a side note, I have earned every single of my 14 karma points and not handed any without reason. I am consistently active and help others with any knowledge that I may have learned over the years.
Louis Vitton doesn't give anything away for free. I believe your site would do just fine based upon the quality of your product and not as a result of the great promos you offer. Simply put I don't think you need to hand out free stuff. My position may not be as popular as it is right.
safetyfirst21Thank you. I've been docked karma for similar statements.
AnonNowadays the old guard isn't even allowed to say things like this. They're quickly called arrogant or conceited or "Narcissistic".
I call it like it is cuz I simply know more about what happens behind closed doors than most regular Joes. It's pretty bad out there right now. The reverse scamming by members is just as bad as the selective scamming by Src's.
I won't be popular for agreeing with you in the fact that all this Free Gear Promo BS is all the Src's fault. It's turned what was a Website where begging n crying for gear happened privately. Now it happens in every Promo thread with "Free" in the title for all to see. Members and non members alike.
There's two Promos up right now BFG had to edit the promo for votes for free gear. Glad Admin is stepping in to regulate it now.
MeinuntergangI love your nickname dude, Who knew that the person who came up with the most epic name for sleazy chat-rooms also happens to be the only democrat with a spine, or balls..... aside from Hillary of course lol
im gunna vote this guy for mayor, if only i lived in NY
oh you got your account back
Lol I pmed u w/ this account
Wait what when do u get back man!? Welcome back by the way haha
I've been a member for over an year and a half and have only 35 karma. Cos I don't know much stuff and learning for u guys everyday. I could care less for karma points. If I can help someone I always will but more than anything it's the knowledge that I'm earning that matters to me:) great read bro! And good to see u back!
Very nicely put.
RustyhookerI dunno if it's right wrong or indifferent. I post pix of myself along with the gear i ran. Diet info is easy enough for anyone that asks. I lost 27lbs pictured and proven last year. I'm gaining lean mass right now and pix to prove it will b posted as well. This site is about teamwork and helping others hit THEIR goals. Just one lil old dude on the team striving for my goals.
much love for you bro. it aint about the size of the dog, I'll take you in my battle vs 99% of them
RustyhookerAppreciate it sir!
Vewiwell said rusty.
RustyhookerWelcome back! Those logs need a mad scientist like yourself!
Vewithanks rusty means a lot coming from you
AnonI haven't been here too long but I have noticed things have DEFINITELY changed since I joined the website. Just little things I've noticed like karma being handed out easily or most people no longer asking for stats when somebody proposes a question. Again I'm no vet to the game or long time user but it's just a trend that I have noticed. I agree with everything u said
beyondimportsIt's turned into the misc lol
It isn't just Eroids that's in a state of degeneration. Have you watched the news lately?! It's everywhere. Snowball headed for hell, lol
SchnizeTrue that brother. +1
AnonYep!
Nice read
You immediately earned my respect with that post!
VewiGreat read brother.
Agree 100% M. Great post big dog. EROIDS needs more integrity IMO.
AnonVery fuckin sweet...i like it
Nice read as always my friend.