posted Fri, 08/02/2013 - 21:30
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What is the best Anti Estrogen that people use!? To minimize water/bloat etc..
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I wanna do letrozole at what dosages are minimum to prevent water, etc... Never really use anti E so any tips would be great!
Thanks in advance.. I will be running Test Cyp/Tren Ace / 6-8 weeks of anavar 50-80mg for the cycle so you know
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AnonAlthough either will control water gain, I find proviron a far more effective medicine for controling bloat . Not to mention proviron has other positive effects like freeing up test and enhancing libido.
Since you normally do not run any AI why dont you buy a little of both for your cycle but also get enough proviron to try 50mg a day for a month.
SimplyShredded1That's what I was thinking to do as well! I like the hardening effects that it has on me I'm still deciding but I think ima use provorion cuz I don't wanna lose my sex drive and my test dosage is like 750mg weekly tren ace will be EOD 100mg
Darron614What is your Test dosage per week?? Letro is probably overkill. I would personally choose aromasin (12.5 mg ED).
Also you NEED caber or prami for 19nor compounds (like Tren)!
AI's work differently. some block the receptor not allowing you to take up the estrogen, others bind to the estrogen and make the unable to be taken up. i prefer to kill the estrogen rather than just block it, this way i dont deal with any rebound issues, especially in PCT which is the most likely time for it. i prefer two AI's arimidex and aromasin. adex will block it and aromasin will kill it. these are dose dependent. run what u need. start low and work your way up. avoid low estrogen, it inhibits gains and can cause injury if the muscles or ligaments and tendons become to dry.
Without going into too much detail for the sake of time this morning. Arimidex is an AI that behaves as a blocking agent to the enzyme aromatase subsequently BLOCKING the production or release of estrogen into the body. Adex can rebound if taken in high doses and should have a slow ramp down period.
Aromasin is called the suicidal armatase inhibitor. It does this by blocking the enzyme responsible for synthesizing estrogen. This means the excessive test floating around is not even allowed to covert to estro and therefor needs no blocking. Aro has been known to be used up through PCT to even aid in recovery though I have read no peer review journals or articles with labs to verify that so I can not speak from experience on it. Though I have used adex and aro both as my AI's in the past.
Letro is like going squirrel hunting with a cannon. It must be ramped up by .5 to your intended dose and is the only AI I know of to mitigate and diminish greatly gyno and latent gyno flare ups. It can be used in a cycle but is very harsh on the joints as it drys you out drastically and not necessarily in a ripped shredded competition way. If taken in higher quantities to reverse true gyno you must taper off and then use a serm like Nolvadex to prevent rebound. Letro kills your estro entirely and that is not a good thing when trying to make gains. I love letro for the purpose of reversing hard painful lumps but not as my main AI.
You can read through my profile and review my labs. I have explanations of all my labs and what I was taking and why. You will see the estro difference with each ai.
On another note what is your cycle going to be? Why are you taking test cyp a long ester that only requires one shot every two to three days or even four for a beginner cycle with tren ace? Tren ace has a half life of one day and thus requires daily injections for stable plasma levels and maximum gains. Something is not adding up and you have not mentioned caber.
Steveb+1
I think all of them work fine.. Now some people respond differently to different AI's.. Honestly it's just one of those things where you have to try them out for yourself.. I think aromasin is dumby proof since there isn't any rebound from it but it'll also cost you a little more to run with a cycle having a shorter half life.. If you're reasonable with your dosing there should be no issues with adex or letro
Steveb+1
good advice
Adex. 0.25mg eod.
StevebWhat are the benefits of adex over aromaisn?
From what I hear aromasin can possibly cause hair loss, not sure if that possible risk is a factor to you or not.
it's one of the main side effects especially for men
OHHH boy that's gonna take me a damn century to write... haha but really though I'll post tomorrow when I wake up I won't have time to tonight but I'll get back to you.
each AI has it's ups and downs. But all in all adex has the least amount of downs.
I might try a very low dose a letro here shortly and see how that goes on cycle
SOunds good man I know lots of people that only use letro. My buddy loves it too. Just remember to taper down very slowly when coming off.
I'll prlly just taper and swap to aro
StevebI use aromasin 12.5mg everyday and 6mg during PCT. It seems to keep me from getting acne which is a big plus for me.
I love letro!! but the problem is that with your cycle, it will be hard to get a good dose for it, as in the tablets come in 2.5mgs and that's to much letro for your cycle