+ 22 Pro Chem labs Tri Test mass spec results.. PATHETIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well ppl, he is the mass spec results from Pro Chem Labs Tri Test 400 I had done not long ago. The story is lengthy however, I will try to make it shorter. This product was HIGHLY recommended by this source when I asked about it. The source claims that ALL gear he sells is TOP NOTCH as he does his own testing to assure quality is acceptable to HIS standards. Well, let the results show very differently here. Now mind you all, I injected this for one month and if you look at the label, it has a dosage of 3 different esters. Test C/E/U should all be present to meet anywhere to around 400mg/ml.. WRONG.. I have been doing AAS for a while and its clear that if you are injecting a compound to this level, you should feel something within a 4 week period which I did not feel a thing. So I sent a sample in and this is what I was getting. 35% purity and LESS then 100mg of Test of any kind. When I brought this to the sources attention, he had more then 20 different excuses as to why the labs really do not mean a thing. My question is, if anyone knew this is what they were getting in the first place, would they inject it??? I say no as this has/had NO effect of any kind and was a complete waist of my time. I will let the Eroids nation decide for themselves if this is acceptable to their standards. Good day to all...
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MD is a good but at the end of the day any source who resells is %110 responsible for giving it to customers. Now how he fixes it will show exactly how honorable the source really is.
wow i wont buy nothing from that scammer, good looking out bro
scammer?? prochem is the lab not the source... the source doesn't brew it, he resells it, and there are more than one source with prochem labs gear. if you read further down, you'll see not only how the source handled it, but also that apparently all the prochem gear this dude got tested fine except for this one compound. it's just a bad batch for this one compound.
shit happens from time to time. that doesn't mean it's a scam. what separates the good from the bad is how the source handles the issue IMO.
why would i buy anything from a source who reps bunk gear? there is alot of sources who make really good gear, dont waste time with these guys
i'm not saying whether you should or shouldn't. all i'm saying is a bad batch in the hands of a reseller doesn't mean he's a scammer
I haven't dealt with this source but I have dealt with mob and he has done nothing but help in every way he could. From help ordering to guiding me to GREAT sources! I owe him big time (no homo) lol. Thanks for steering us away from possible disaster bro!
MeinuntergangWow- there seems to be some many sticky issues here. But, I think that many have let the main point go unnoticed here. I personally believe that Eroids took the world of AAS to a new level. Now, the user is no longer under the mercy of a supplier who could or could not care about his clientele. This is NOT a swipe at the UK source in question, but just generally. I find it ridiculous for someone to have to prove that the gear they were sold was under-dosed, bunk or unsanitary.
It's most definitely the source's responsibility to prove themselves and to go above and beyond in serving their customers. No, this is not an entitled attitude, I know my few 100s mean nothing to you or your business, but just like you, I have more options and you're simply and easily replaceable.
It's everyone's job to shed lights on inconsistencies and dishonest practices, as we all owe to each other as brothers on these forums.
very nicely said sir and to the point. The power of the brotherhood and srces make enough revenue that they should be able to provide lab tests on every product they offer, period! Thanks to the eroid nation.
The numbers suck from the mass spec. I dont know exactly what you guys agreed on and may never know nor do i care.
"Well ppl" That's mobman702's version of events and here is mine. He was right in stating that:
"This product was HIGHLY recommended by this source when I asked about it. The source claims that ALL gear he sells is TOP NOTCH as he does his own testing to assure quality is acceptable to HIS standards"
I stood by Pro.Chem Labs for many years, and when mobman702 begun contacting me back in December 2012 asking for cycle advice and UGL advice I was happy to give him all the information he wanted, including recommending one of the top UK UGL's to him, which is Pro.Chem (bare in mind he was new to the site and had 0 karma. As everyone knows I always give my time to everyone regardless of karma or how new they are). He ordered a total of two vials of Tri-Test 400 from Pro.Chem and a few other compounds also, including about 4 vials of Equipoise 300, 3 x Turinabol and many more products. I don't see the other reports posted here, but that's only because they didn't show anything wrong. mobman702 could you kindly post the other reports you sent to me so that you can make the eroids community aware of such things... After talking with mobman702 about the reports he had showed me, he had decided he didn't want to run ANY Pro.Chem gear at all, even though the other compounds were fine. I happily agreed to refund him in full, as everyone knows I always like to keep my customers happy, anyone that has dealt with me can testify to this. I always give out freebies to customers and mobman702 was no exception, I had given him a few freebies over the months, even though he had 0 karma... However, as the majority of the products he was asking for a refund for were perfectly fine, I asked that he return them to me. Then after further discussion mobman702 had decided he wanted to return ALL his Pro.Chem gear for 3 kits of Riptropin instead of a refund, which would have came to a couple of hundred dollars more than the value of the Pro.Chem products he had originally ordered. I accepted, but told him I still wanted to have the Pro.Chem gear returned to me before I sent him the 3 kits of Riptropin, which he agreed he would do. He eventually sent the products about a month later and after I had given him 3 different return addresses by this point, which he had apparently sent and forgotten the tracking number. But quite simply, nothing has arrived at any of the addresses I gave him! The tracking number he gave me is not even recognised on any UK delivery service website. I then was told by mobman702 that I must still send the 3 kits of Riptropin. I have not at any point told you that I wouldn't refund/credit/exchange you for the Tri-Test 400.
mobman702 you seem extremely upset and angry with me, even though I've spent many hours talking with you through PM over the last 7 months and giving you advice with basically EVERYTHING! I have given you help with cycle advice, diet, training etc. I've probably sent you over 500 PM's answering all your queries.
I still have not said I wouldn't refund/credit/exchange the Tri-Test 400. As a matter of fact I believe my dispatch has already sent you something for the Tri-Test 400. And I have told you several times that I will still send the Riptropin if this parcel you sent ever arrives.
"he had more then 20 different excuses as to why the labs really do not mean a thing"
I have only given you one explanation as to why the Tri-Test 400 may have been under dosed and that is basically common knowledge. Everyone knows that Pro.Chem had a change of ownership earlier this year and it just so happened that mobman702 ordered from the last batch I received from Pro.Chem before they closed for a few months. I would never intentionally sell any gear that has a report like this to anyone. I'm not a scammer or selective scammer of any kind. You will see people with all different levels of karma on my review page and I treat everyone with the same respect and level of service. mobman702 came to me when he had 0 karma and I treated him the same way I would treat someone with 1000 karma.
At the end of this essay I have just written I still stand by Pro.Chem and you're all welcome to try them and have them tested. I've tested random samples from the new batches Pro.Chem have sent me and they're all showing excellent results.
Anyway, hope you all had a good read and mobman702 like I have already told you, I wish you all the best and hope you reach your goals!
MD.
AnonSo you already comped him for the test400? If also like to see the labs on the other products if they're bad like the test. If the product is GTG he should equally produce those mass spec results.
I pmd Mobman yesterday and he explicitly said you have not sent him anything to cover the test400.
If he has mass spec results that say those other compounds are bad then those rips don't sound bad. But if they're gtg I think he shouldn't get a refund for products that are gtg. Just because these tests can prove the legitimacy of a product it goes both ways. They should never be used for leverage. Just my opinion. I can't wait to see the mass spec results on those other compounds. If he tested them he should feel the same obligation to post those as well. If he doesn't post them MD I think that shifts this discussion in your favor.
Mobman post those mass spec results bro
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TARANISi have them and discussed this in lengh with mobman over the months.
the t bol came back 70something % pure and described as adequate and the other cant remember what it was now about the same.
i believe he has now been compensated by two or three different sources and still wants MD's balls on a plate and compensated with extra.
i was a strong advocate for PC for years used most of there stuff and loved it.
because of these spec results i told mobman i would give my 2cents, but im now hearing good feedback from pc again so i will not dis there rep because of one bad batch , i will wait and see what the feedback is on the new batches sinse there return, as im hearing a lot of time money and effort has been pumped in to get there old rep back.
The reason im writting this now is i noticed today he has removed me from his friends list.
a 49 year old man taking the hump and acting like a kid because i will not immediately back him up.
PC T-Bol came back at 63% pure and described as 10mg a pill as sufficient.
PC BOLD came back at 76% pure and described as maybe slightly overestimated at 300ml but still sufficient.
given mass spec perameters im no expert but i'd say this was not to bad.
if enough people want it i will post these results.
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no doubt. i couldn't agree with you more.
Yes I can confirm my dispatch sent 3 x T-400 by Fuerza-Labs. I told mobman702 I would do this several days ago, so he has obviously lied to you! Everything I have said can be confirmed by MOD's if they read through PM discussions by the way! So he HAS been compensated for the 2 x Tri-Test 400.
If I ever receive this parcel he has sent with all the other good gear, then I will refund/credit/exchange also..
I don't know why he has made me out to be such the bad guy, as I'm quite the opposite! Oh well, I guess the nicer you are to people, the more they want to take advantage!
AnonFR sent bro. I'd like to PM u
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I don't know about the others, but to me, as an outside observer, this seems to be a way more sensible version of the events.
WeatherwedIll have to take your word for it. I dont have the free time to read that epic.
This is true, I believe there was a change in who was running the Pro.Chem company not so long ago, correct me if I'm wrong, but a sorce at the gym was speaking about this to me yesterday, so that is 2 inderpendent sources are saying the same thing that Pro.Chem went down hill for a bit but now there back better than ever ;) MD is a top source just look at his revews,
Joosemanthis goes to show a sources true colors.. rather than owning this, refunding you, making it right - he tries to act like the guys brewing his piss gear in their kitchen with china raws know more than a $200,000 machine. I suggest going to write a review and a reflective rating, bet he takes you more serious when you drop him 4 spots in the rankings buddy. Time for a wake up call. +1
That is my next step sir. I thank you for your input and it is takin well under advisement
+1 and now I don't want to use pro-chem
I'd +100 if I could. Thanks for taking the time and funds to test and Bigger thanks for sharing with us. Just confirms that a source is only as good as his source. Thanks again Mobman.
Anytime sir. It benefits us all on here so that this can be addressed and dealt with.
Nice work brother +1
Thanks for posting this bro! +1
Ur very welcome buddy.
Thanks for the info. good to know.
+1
I owe it to OUR community as a member.. No worries..
U sexy beast posting up labs! U growing up so fast!
haha good post bro awsome info! +36-35x1
HaHa.. Good one Turbo, I almost could do the math on that one.. LOL..
great job man!!!!!i will stay away from pro chem
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AnonWhat a fucking joke
Joke??? please explain...
AnonJoke source bro what a cunt
I got ya bud.. Thanks for your support..
AnonGreat job man!!! I'm glad these tests are becoming more common. It is so beneficial to the community and just a huge step in the use of anabolics amongst the general public in knowing the contents of these compounds. +1
Thanks brotha..
Thanks for sharing bro, won't be getting any of that. +1
thanks both boz645 and Omnom for your support.... Much appreciated..
Thanks for sharing buddy! This is very bothersome something like this has been going around.. looks like very shitty quality D= You just helped a lot of the eroids community
Mobman, I hope your not upset i used this post to say something, but I have been contemplating this for a while and feel this is a good post and time to say what I have been thinking. 1st, let me state i really enjoy running these labs for the community. I really do. If I did not, or if it were too much, believe me, you would not see these. In any case, I enjoy them. The fun part is returning the reports to people and congratulating them on an excellent product, with clean oils and high quality and purity. I do not enjoy the opposite. Who likes delivering bad news? Anyone? Yes, i get samples in that are crap.. this is a prime example. I can not post because Mobman OWNS this data. It is not mine to use. I do not kiss and tell and I take extreme caution to make sure the data is as accurate and secure as it can be. There have been issues in the past, but they have been identified and corrected. Quality control measures are in place and strict use and cleaning policies are enforced. What am i getting at? I like the good ones... I do not "like" the poor ones, but they happen. It is my fear that when a sample is submitted there is a preconceived notion that it will be"80% or better" and usually it is, but when it comes back poor, or contaminated or missing the compound outright... people get pissed.. at me. I am JUST the messenger here. I let the science speak.
Like I said, issues arise and I deal with them. I keep everyone necessary to the issue and the resolution informed to the best of my ability. I do not withhold, alter, or modify any data or information, it is yours and you have a right to know. Nothing like that has happened, and I hope by saying this the air is clear. You can ask me anything... I am open to suggestion and new ideas. I am a man of science and for that reason always question! I thank you for this opportunity to speak and look forward to serving this community as long as I am able to.
Sincerely,
Beaker
EXCELLENT POST SIR..... U made a ton of sense and I appreciate you on all you do.. We the Eroids nation need you here along with your associate to make us all feel and KNOW we have what we are looking for... Thanks again..
PLUS ONE for snuffing out the RATS! Good job Mob... Sorry this shit happened to a good bro tho. Hope it gets straightened out tho brother.
thanks FinMan.. I really appreciate the support coming back from all my buds and members here.
I can tell you SexyMex.... that the container in which the sample was submitted was indeed sealed and in excellent condition. As a matter of fact, the labeling was really nice... If you were to purchase based solely on labeling, I would have purchased this as well... In any case, it was sealed and not contaminated. I do not know what more I can say.
Beak
AnonYou said it all. His sample was in pristine untampered condition. That's perfect.
AnonI've come to a couple of conclusions on mass Spec. Let me ask u this. Did u send in a sample that was sealed with cap intact and untampered with? Or had u been injecting the oil already?
The reason I ask is because if you leave yourself open to doubts then the test was biased IMO.
I am not defending anybody. I don't give a shit about this Src or any Src for that matter. I want the members who send samples to always cover their ass and leave their case sound and bulletproof.