posted Mon, 06/03/2013 - 21:29
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Ideas to lower bloat from DBol
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Hey Everyone,
I recently started my cycle I'm frontloading 1000mg Test Cyp then going 500mg, and taking Dbol orally but saw a post on here where it states to run it towards the back end of the cycle, might try that. I'm barely a couple days into the cycle. Also I'm taking Exemestane as AI
I wanted to hear from others in methods you would suggest to lower the bloat I'm running 50mg daily of Dbol. My buddy suggested the AI would help with that so I was thinking of switching to Anastrozoleto see if that helps. My details
5'9
207lbs
12% BF (as of 6-1-2013 used pinch method)
Thank you in advance
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I want to take the chance and say thank you for everyone that has provided input. Some great advice has been given and everyone and in process of incorporating of couple. Ive started with the asparagus and celery. At first I didn't notice too much of a difference but within the last couple days I am starting to see the benefits. Overall I was surprised with the taste of the asparagus and celery, I figured I would need maple syrup to sweeten but that was not the case. I weigh myself everyday pre-work and have dropped to 195, I have dropped about 7 pounds in water weight. Best part is that everything else is running optimal, strength is crazy, and dropped BF. I will be that BF% tomorrow at the gym and see what the difference is.
Biggest change I believe I made was cutting sodium out completely, I'm a sucker for chips (as that was my favorite lunch) but let me say that it was dead on. I do have some bloat but nothing compared to what I had on my last run.
Also I stopped by my local Whole Foods and picked up Dandelion root and after a week or 2 I will be trying it out to see what the benefit may be. Also up my water intake and have payed dividend
I went ahead and took a before pic (which I will be adding shortly) for my cycle, 1st week I frontloaded 1000mg Test Cyp (500mg weekly after loading), 500mg EQ, and 500mg Deca. Using DBol as kicker, this will be a 20 week cycle and look forward to the outcome
http://www.eroids.com/pics/before-pic-for-gp-test-cyp-pt-eq-pt-deca-and-...
MakaveliCD7Be very committed to drinking a 1-1.5 gallons of water a day(preferably 1.5 gallons), lower that sodium intake to just necessity and get u some dandelion root It's an OTC herb...a natural diuretic or u can just nab an OTC like diurex and take twice a day...on the dandelion u might have to adjust the dosing to fit ur need..... run daily for one week and report back here and see if just those simple things make a world of difference
Thank you for the awesome input brother, and J223 as well. I will be following the advice to the T :-)
don't take dandelion too late in the day.. Bedwetting can result during sleep if you take it in the evening.
How do I know? I'm not going to lie, I had a little issue once lol
J you playing bro?
no hahah it is a diuretic, maybe I drank too much before sleeping. But that never happens to me so I figured the dandelion root caused it.
Well it's better to know than to get caught off guard
Heres the answer to your problem....... OP take this advice and be consistant in your approach.... that is what yields results.
MCD7 you got yourself a +3... great info.
MakaveliCD7Thanks Vike!!
In for sure going to pick up some herbs bro I've cut my sodium and will up my water intake also I'm keeping a daily log to see if they're is adjustments funny when you notice how much crap has sodium in it
MakaveliCD7I know exactly what u mean
BigBmajI have noticed that super low sodium makes a huge difference. I try to stay below 800 mg. It took some getting used to.
I know this has been suggested but I can't believe what a difference it makes.
Thank you big
Us an AI,,,watch diet,,, sodium,,etc,,,and drink plenty of water
Thank you alin
aromasin (exemestane) is far superior to adex etc and is a suicidal Ai that kills the aromatization enzyme, the next one up is letro which is very strong and shouldn't be used as a continuous ai really.
Aromasin is a great Ai but you have to dose it right like anything, you've front loaded a shit load of test and are running a lot of dbol, you are going to bloat bro lol. apart from the Ai reduce your salt content.
I wouldn't add it on the end either buddy your test will do you nicely..
Dieselboss162Ran both and still got super bloated
RustyhookerI see you've pisted parrot half talk on many forums. Suggest you run some cycles with your info....then return when you need assistance. Research...research...research.
Don't come and harm others!
Im involved at this stuff at a level much higher than you are bro and I know my stuff, I can back up what I say as well. Not sure about other forums ? as this is the one I joined..
Who the fuck are you some sort of key board warrior, try reading some journals and papers and collecting some proof towards these compounds rather than just giving your opinion and the opinion of your local gym monkey friends lol, I highly doubt you are qualified at any medical level at all
It doesn't take a medical doctor to understand Aromatase inhibitors. Also real world experience is much more valuable. Rusty is one of many members here that has a strong understanding of AI's both scientifically AND has experience with the compounds themselves. Besides, Aromasin is a newer drug and typically prescribed for postmenopausal women with breast cancer. You aren't going to find much solid documented info on it. Most the studies are done on rats and don't always have conclusive results.
This is why sometimes getting advice from people who have personal experience is better. Did you know that Aromasin is metabolized at different rates in different individuals? This means that people are effected differently than others. To say Aromasin should be the only AI used is not smart. Why not keep all options available and use which works best? Aromasin does not work best in everyone. Doctors don't prescribe everyone oxycontin for pain because it is the most effective do they? No, typically a weaker drug with less side effects is used first. Same goes for AI. Some people need maximum estrogen control - letro, or Aromasin. But the truth is, arimidex or even proviron alone is typically sufficient for the majority of people.
-1 from me.
yesterday you didn't even know the different mechanism of how the Ai's work and now your trying to tell me whats what lol.
you can have all the ais you want, but only one is needed at once.
try reading abit and you'll see that aromasin lowers SHBG and increases IGF1 levels which is why its great for pct and adex isn't as good.
(il leave you to find out what this means ^^)
Iv experienced more compounds than you and have 1st hand experience of a lot of things, rusty just has no life and spends his days on these forums massaging his ego which is why you (his gay lovers) have tried to save him some face as he hasn't a leg to stand on or a shred of proof for his argument lmao
You don't know anything about my knowledge about how AI's work. I knew aromasin binds to the aromatase enzyme by double bond rendering the enzyme permanently inactive. I understand that. I have spent many hours researching about it.
You don't seem to understand that this doesn't make aromasin superior. Why? Because when the enzymes are all bound, the body will try to counterbalance it by synthesizing new enzymes. The rate at which your body synthesizes the new enzymes varies in individuals. No one person is alike.
Are you aware of the enzyme that metabolizes aromasin in the liver? Did you know that different people have different rates at which the liver enzyme metabolizes the drug? This leads to instability. I see it all the time.
Aromasin is not meant for everyone. Arimidex is not for everyone. Letro is not for everyone. But some people react to certain drugs better than the others. How hard is this for you to understand? Same goes for any other type of drug. Doctors can prescribe pain meds from Oxycontin to morphine to vicodin to simple ibuprofen. All drugs do the same thing, they relieve pain. Some drugs last longer than others, some are more effective than others. Each drug has it's ups and downs. We know oxycontin and morphine are more effective, but just because they are more effective doesn't mean everyone should take them for pain. For some people ibuprofen is just enough to control the pain and lacks side effects.
Antidepressants are the same. Blood pressure medications. etc...
You can read all the studies in the world, but your advice is still crap.
IGF and SHBG increase from aromasin is so minute that it doesn't really matter. Besides many people believe lowering SHBG going into PCT isn't always the best idea. One reason is because the exogenous steroids are bound by shbg and if you lower shbg the exo steroids will continue to suppress the user. Another reason is SHBG also keeps E2 down which is usually a good thing. The IGF and SHBG arguments are pretty weak and not important enough of a factor to choose this drug over another.
Im about to own you boy, grab a shake and read this my friend and wel see who is talking rubbish...
unfortunately your post makes the "rusty clubs" aromasin pct dosing protocol redundant lmao, Iv said a several times already (on this board) that knowing our own bodies and getting the dosages right is paramount. Yet the "rusty club" seem to hand out the same set of numbers regardless of the individual or the cycle run. As you've just confirmed this is wrong !
oh and aromasin can raise total test levels by 60%, and its shown to increase free test levels by 117% (hardly tiny increases im sure youll agree). Also another reason to show that serms alone are not the only things doing the work and so do not need to dosed as high !
Uh oh ! "many people believe" sound like bro-ology again ! and your terribly wrong as well.
because:
If you actually time the pct properly my friend, meaning when the steroids have for the most part cleared the system enough for our own test to begin recovery. We are left with a little or no AAS in our system and a little natural test which can leave us in a semi catabolic state (losing gains).
Therefore we need every little bit of test as usable as possible (lower SHBG) in order to maintain and hold onto the muscle we got.
AND ! there will be very little exogenous steroids left as most will have cleared so no further shutdown from them!
and the E2 is already kept low as that what aromasin does so your point/belief is trash!
so once again your whole argument is redundant and you are wrong sir (lol) !!!
I don't take aromasin. I'm not part of any club. I use what works best for me. I've always pct'd with arimidex and recovered fine
RustyhookerStop trolling. Post your pix. Use your life experiences. No parrots
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/college-kiddies
RustyhookerSo far you've offered No real advice. You've copued/pasted numerous papers and worded thing as if you have skills.
Post your pics. Use and prove YOUR real world use and advice. Not copied pasted garble.
HardBodEricYea bro wtf you talkin to Rusty that way, You cray cray?
lol pull your head outta this gym monkeys ass
Keep this shit up you will be the one pulling head from ass... im in a good mood today lets not fkn spoil it hey!
RustyhookerIf you got the skills you pretend to have then post REAL info with REAL numbers and full basis for those numbers. Not parrot mimic.
Fill in the OP so they are SAFE and INFORMED. -1
I have you clown, where are your REAL studies or REAL data lol you have posted nothing at all to counter what iv proved or read.
guys look to the other thread to see this jokers response and arguments
i always read these forums from work and have a laugh at some of the advice given but i have to say that AASadict is the only one talking sense here.and he backed up his advice with test results and papers, i for one would actually listen to the advice from AASadict as he does know what he is talking about and not just spouting off bro-ology. I have actually learnt a lot from AASadict reading his posts lol...have a great day and try to smile a bit more often
RustyhookerTrue. I guess i should also just copy n paste other folks works and ideals. We don't really need advice from people doing it. Sounds awesome.
I cycle very well and help lots of people with PCT, I don't guess dosages. I don't own a lab so where are the studies to come from ? and don't ask for studies and data if you then choose to ignore them my friend...
just because someone injects something or swallows a few pills does not make them an expert on that substance.i would myself much sooner trust research by proper medical companies than word of mouth from a gym rat.no mater who wrote it or where the info come from as long its real and legit with papers to back it up. surely no one in there right mind would take medical advice from a stranger over the internet without proof of what he says is true just because he has karma from a roid site...this is not really about his advice though..this is a personal thing between yourself and AASadict, should really both keep it off the forums as it drags other people into it. smile it might never happen
Rustyhookeragree
skills ? no just common sense, knowledge and experience lol
what do you want to know or me to explain ?
oh and congrats hope you enjoy rubbing your self with my karma bro lmao
RustyhookerFlex your skills with posting help for the OP.
YOU MAD BRO?
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/you-mad-bro
Capitals lol, scary !
Mad ? "no" more amused, im not the one getting my entourage to remove karma and back me up lol..
If anyone wants to see this clowns advice/problems etc, have a look for the other thread in which this started and has now spilt over onto other threads.
RustyhookerSo your goal is to Troll. How nice. When you've got good info to HELP the op then post it up. No sniveling.
And anytime you bust out bad info be warned that others will correct you. Noone needs to get hurt.
Every time you curse folks out, you will get bonked too. No entourage. I pulled karma from you for cussing at folks. Noone is gonna come on here to cause problems.
Have a great day!
if you look at the posts you actually attacked me 1st my friend, and said I talking rubbish !
I then posted studies, data and explained my case and you have posted nothing and have no info what so ever to support your argument !
your only defence is to get your friends to remove my karma, you look like a joke and have not proved or shown NO evidence at all and are now looking rather silly as your entire argument is based on your opinions and friends here 'say.
anyone with any intelligence will reas this and think why cant he prove anything or show any data to support his views ?
You are contradicting yourself by saying letro is the next one up after aromasin. And aromasin doesn't kill the AE it just binds to it making it inactive. The body responds by synthesizing new aromatase enzymes when it recognizes the AE are all inactive.
Aromasin is more difficult to dose and it has an inconsistent metabolization rate between individuals.
Get out of here with your weak arguments. Sounds like you just read all this information but have no experience with the compounds themselves. If you would read the post you will notice the OP is taking exemestane and is experiencing bloat, which is why it was suggested he try arimidex to see if it helps.
By Letro one up I meant its stronger/strongest, what's so bad about this and its true bro.
AND you have them the wrong way round bro, aromasin is a suicidal Ai so kills the enzyme (try reading), adex works on a blocking mechanism, DROP the attitude your wrong son lol
aromasin is the stronger of the two, so how is adex going to help ?
his aromasin is just not dosed properly that's all there is no reason to suggest adex other than if his exemestane is bunk lol and you have provided no evidence or reason apart from your opinion that adex will perform better lol, not 1 bit
RustyhookerI like aromasin of course (coke vs Pepsi) but yes theres more to any AI than simply ingest. Conversion of test partially into estro is going to continue. Those pathways dont magically disappear.
Op has only been on cycle a few days. Whether adex or aromasin.....I'd not start either from day one. Second week possibly but don't want a crash.
Shit thanks for the heads up bro, I usually hold off till I get sensitive nips or something
RustyhookerYou'll know. You've been on the rodeo before. Yes it'll be faster with front load and dbol.
Thanks rusty
Any of you ever tried juicing asparagus and celery? An 8-12oz glass will flush out all that excess water and make you piss like a Russian racehorse. Beware of the funk that will emanate from your stream at a public restroom though. It's pungent. I can drop almost 3lbs of water weight doing this.
No I haven't tried but will for sure give it a go, thank you dego
Word. It works for me but I'm not on dbol. Let me know!