+ 3 Week 9 Test E Lab Results
I'm 9 weeks into my 12 week test enan cycle. I'm 27 years old, this is my first cycle. I am running 600mg of test e and 7.5mg aromasin ED. It looks like I need to increase the aromasin, but how much more? Should I bump to 12.5 ED? I took this test about 3 hours after dosing my aromasin.
Obviously I'm outside of the normal range for estradiol, but are we supposed to try to keep it in the normal range even on cycle? Or is it expected to be a little above normal? I only ask because I understand that estro too low can hinder gains as well as seriously mess your shit up and I don't want to shoot for that if it's not realistic/ safe.
I don't current;y have any estro related issues but that doesn't mean they wont creep up on me.
Is my estro dangerously high?
What should I up my aromasin to?
Any other advice is appreciated!
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I know this response is well past your cycle, but give this a look. I found it extremely helpful http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/labs-and-values-defined...
I'd be interested to hear from anyone who's ever crashed their estrogen with exemestane.
25 mgs ED can be well tolerated.
For me, I'd go with a full 25mg ED until sides diminish and libido returns, assuming that's an issue. Then drop back down to 12.5 ED. May only take a few days to get you there.
I would do a one time dose of 25 mg and then bring it down to 10-12.5mg ED. Retest after two weeks. +1 for getting labs.
Thanks for the advice. What's the theory behind the initial does of 25mg? Would it more or less completely halt estro conversion for ~24 hrs allowing estro to drop then maintain lower levels with 10-12.5mg?
Initial dose would be to have an immediate drop in estrogen then the higher daily dose to keep it low. Aromasin is fairly strong and once you crash your estrogen it takes a bit to come back up. You estrogen is not insanely high, I think one or two 25mg doses, and then a higher maintenance dose will get you to the sweet spot. Retest in two weeks and see where your at. To answer your question below, you only have so many androgen receptors, there is a point where any extra test will be converted into estrogen and you will most likely not benefit from the extra test. I wouldn't run a gram a week on your second cycle or anytime n the near future. Slow and steady wins this race.
with his dose being what is was and still allowing e2 to climb tells me that he would need closer to 12.5 to maintain normal levels on this cycle. right now, he needs to up that amount in order to suppress and gain control. once levels have dropped back to normal range, 12.5 ED should allow for maintenance.
Agreed!!
SeaHawkI would up it to 12.5 ED like you suggested. Your estrogen is not obscenely high and certainly not dangerous. Getting that number down before PCT is a good idea. High estrogen during pct can hinder recovery and is also a contributor in post cycle gyne.
Bump up the Aro to 12.5 every day. That will bring that estro down. You'll be able to tell by the next day or so. Just pay attention to your body.
It's looking like his dose allowed it to rise to a point where it may have stabilized outside of normal range. With this consideration, I'm leaning towards 12.5 ED being what is needed for this cycle to remain at a normal level. Therefore, given that this number is a stabile number, 12.5 would take a minute to get it down to normal range. If his current dose is allowing it to continue climbing slowly, then 12.5 would take even longer. 25mg is appropriate to suppress. Once it's within range, dropping back to 12.5 ED should stabilize within range.
I was windering that if he's only doing 6.25 that by jumping up to 12.5 would cause his E2 to come down to fast since he's basically doubling the dose. But I see how it kinda works now. So 6.25 is still letting climb but just letting it slower than it normally would if he wasn't taking Aro at all correct? So by jumping to 25mg it would hault the climb as well as bring it back down to normal? Then 12.5 will maintain it at a stable level? What is the ideal dance for E2? I'm guessing it really depends on the person?
X2....always works for me
Ok, it seems like that's the suggested dose from what I've read. Do I run much of a risk of crashing estro at that dose or is that generally accepted as safe?
It's different for everyone. I ran my aro (same research chem company) at 10mg a day and it kept me in the 30's. keep dialing it in with bloods and you'll lock down what works for you
This may be obvious, but does the conversion rate change depending on the amount of a steroid you use and require different dosages of an AI to keep estro in check?
Say I find what works for me at 600mg test e. Then next cycle I run test at say, 1000mg, would I need to dose the AI accordingly or does the same dose keep estro at the same levels regardless of steroid compound/dose?
I'm leaning toward AI dosage must be adjusted but would like to clarify.