posted Wed, 05/01/2013 - 21:18
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So Im still kind of new to the game but I was thinking of running a test cyp with npp or tren a cycle.
I know people say long ester with long or short with short, but I also see some more serious people who run longer cycles say they run low test with high short esters so they don't become over dependent on the test.
I know a tren a dose would be around 100mg eod so how much of a low test cyp dose would you run with that, like 200 or 250mg a wk? Not really sure on the npp but Im also assuming that would be around 100mg eod and would that also be efficient with a lower test dose?
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RustyhookerWhichever route you take...match your Esters. Seen many folks happy with prop/npp or test e/deca. Depends on your background experience and goals. Big bulker or lean bulk.
Most people run low test when theyre cutting. It seems like youre wanting to bulk up. Why dont you do something simple, no need for tren. Test p weeks 1-4 100mg EOD, test e weeks 1-12 600mg a week, and eq cyp weeks 1-12 600 a week. Youd get great results with a healthy diet and your gains would be a lot easier to keep aftee PCT. Just a thought.
It would be a bit difficult to find Eq Cyp!!! Equipoise is undecylenate ester. Plus 12 weeks of it is a bit too short and he wont see much gains from it. He is just fine with test only for right now IMHO. May be for a longer cycle then add Eq and test cyp, thats my 2 cents.
It is pretty difficult to find. One of the top sources has it in stock. I agree that the length might not be long enough for optimum gains. Just thought id give him a suggestion that would be much safer than tren. Test only would be the way to go.
RustyhookerEq cyp...boldenone cyp is easy to find. And yes...12-14 is do-able.
Bold und....gotta go long though OR frontload.
BiteyI believe he meant boldenone cyp.
Well Im about to finish my second cycle for the ebc.
My first was testc500mg a wk with a winny finish of like 20/30/40/30(just broke up the100 tabs over 4 weeks).5 adex as needed nolva clomid pct 40/40/20/20 100/100/50/50
I started the ebc at 500mg testc a wk with a 50mg ed dbol kicker(4wks) again .5adex as needed after 6 wks switched to testp200mg and mastp100mg eod (no more need for adex after adding mast) and finishing with winny 40mg ed these last 3 wks
Just I started lifting at 15 when I was 110lbs and now Im 26 at 250lbs so I guess after a decade it has pretty much become a lifestyle for me and I always joke I'll only compete at 300 so won't cut til I hit 330 so just looking for advice on these low test intervals because thats how it sounds like the pros train year round. And I do know know I'll need caber at .25mg twice a wk for npp or tren A and 100mg eod looks like a common dose to me I just see a lot debate on the tren/deca to test ratio
you didnt even finish the 12 week test c cycle...
bro you started right. go back and finish it.
and first of all you need time off. Time on AAS + PCT = Time off AAS. or you'll mess yourself up. and you need to clear out receptors too.
then do a test e or c cycle again. and do the whole thing. theres no point in doing 6 weeks of test c, you wont see results. you need at least 12 for a long testosterone ester. your way too hasty. and if your not worried about cutting, why did you run winny and mast? and why do you want to run a tren cycle? that makes no sense at all. those are all cutting compounds.
Tren is meant for the 10th cycle. not 2nd. or 1.5th. Theres so many cycles you can do before you get to the trennasty.
http://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles
Im finishing the cycle its just when I realized I was one of the bigger guys in the ebc I switched from cyp to prop because I would have to do some cutting if I wanted some goodies and thats why the mast and winny is in there too
BiteyTest is test bro. The ester has nothing to do with gains or cuts or anything. It just determines the amount of time before the testosterone is released into your body.
Cyp or prop. Doesn't matter.
Well ya test is test and thats why it didn't matter I switched up mid cycle but prop is supposed to have less water retention so when your 250 against a bunch of ripped up 180-200's the less bloat the better
BiteyNope. Myth. Water bloat comes from sodium, and carbs and estrogens. Keep your sugars, and sodium low and your AI high enough and your bloat will be low.
Prop and Cyp are literally the same thing. The testosterone is cleaved off and it's just testosterone. That's what works. Test Cyp and Test prop are inactive in your body until they breakdown into just testosterone.
Not going to hate but not going to agree either. I see prop as the base to most cutting cycles and from my personal experience even tho I've only done 2 cycles the first was cyp and winny and this one finishing with prop, mast, and winny and I hear mast isn't a very strong steroid so I don't think its doing that much but Im definitely seeing more lines with the prop but less total weight gain. I can post pics of the two and the cyp cycle has a lot different look then my prop cycle even tho I'm not done yet.
BiteyWell mast drys you out pretty good and is also sort of an AI, and I'd have no idea what your diet, sleep, and training would be like for each cycle. I'm not going to try and convince you since you seem to have your mind made up, but I urge you to look into the mechanisms of estered testosterone and it's affects on the body.
I get test is test when it comes to maintaining bodily function on cycle because I've asked the question before about switching mid cycle and now know it doesn't really matter if its p, c, e, sus or whatever but really everything I've seen mentions prop for cutting because of less water retention
This is on cyp at 240lbs
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/17334/newebc.jpg
This is on prop at 250lbs
http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/17334/IMG_0222.JPG
Personally like the bulkier cyp better but trying to get some lines to get some prizes
I dont think you can accurately compare the two since you never ran an entire cyp cycle brother...and prop is used for cutting because most cutting compounds are short ester, and most people like running short esters together. has nothing to do with props water retention. Also, biteys right, water retentions all about your diet. the body is built in the kitchen.
Even if you did start to see lines with prop more than cyp... you hopped on winny and mast. both of those are meant to dry you out, DHT compounds, with no conversion to estrogen.
And mast seems to be a better AI then adex or aromasin, for me at least
mast is not an AI. it will not reduce estrogen levels, it just does not convert to estrogen. AIs are adex, aromasin and letro.
Completely incorrect.
Masteron was created to act as an AI. It was created for gyno reversal. There are people wtih blood work to prove it.
AnonHigh test, low deca.
low test high tren seems to be the trend at the min.
Keep reading the forums everything you need to know is there buddy.
Well I'd probably go with npp first and Im guessing test/deca would be like 500/250-300 but how would npp break down?
AnonYea dude test only first cycle. You sound like you don't know much about steroids so I suggest you research aromatase inhibitors and pct and how to run a proper cycle. Stay away from tren for a long time and wait till your more experienced to run npp as well
AnonBro first run go test only, you will get great gains off 500mg per week. Lets hope the tren aint kickin in cos you will get eaten for suggesting tren on a first run, also not knowing dosages or compound properties means little to no research has been done.
Your prob eager to run a cycle but best advice is spend a couple weeks here reading the different comunity forums and posts and get an Idea of how when and why you should run a cycle.
There is nothing wrong with asking questions, its when you ignore advice that problems arise.
Exactly!!! I couldn't have say it beyter myself.