posted Thu, 04/25/2013 - 17:48
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+ 1 Ran 9 week cycle but don't want it to end
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Would it be possible to get this cycle goin if I order some stuff and have it here in a week? I would like to continue to gain and not have to wait for time on=time off bullshit. Ok awesome. #LETSGETBIG
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Well theoretically you only ran it 9 weeks so I would say you could still run the standard 12. but if you aren't on TRT or blasting and crusing then PCT is a must. You dont have to do Time on plus Time off if you get bloodwork. Time on + Time off mostly is for people too stubborn to get bloodwork to know where they stand on the natty scale but its still a good idea to take time off regardless if your bloodwork comes back all good
cbrant10Thank you kwabby6. Although I am not on trt. But thanks for that information. I agree we do need to time to rest but also I have heard of people running it year around and people running a cycle for 21 weeks or so.
Have you though about how effective it will be considering your receptors would have been under strain for 9 weeks already??
cbrant10Ok sorry about the confusion guys. I did test e 250 2x a week and tbol 50mg Ed for 4 weeks and I wasn't getting the gains I thought I would so i uped the test and ran short. It ran 9 weeks but I have pct stuff and ai but I want to run it longer. Is this possible or am I just going to have to run pct? Thanks.
Run don't walk to your nearest domestic. As nitti mentioned. maybe get some prop as well as the ethanate to get your levels back up faster.
cbrant10Running!
You really need to rework this post to explain what you mean better...
RustyhookerTime on + pct = pct.
Or flat go to the trt line and blast/cruise. Slave to the pin til dead.
So what exactly are you asking? You are 9 weeks in on what,....a 12 weeker?
cbrant10Ok so what happened was that I was going to run a 12 weeker but it only lasted 9 weeks because I wasn't getting the gains that I wanted so I uped the dosage and it ran short. My question is can I just get some more hear and make it a longer cycle with like a week without a shot?!??
You could provided its a long ester like cyp or enth but you better not go longer than that. And double the AI dose that week you miss the shot
What is this? You're trolling right? This can't be a serious post. I don't know maybe it's me. I had something happen a minute ago that has my brain scrambled so maybe i'm reading this wrong.
cbrant10I don't even know what trolling means but yes I am asking a serious question.
It sounds like you're asking whether it would be advisable to stay on with out stopping for PCT or jumping right into another cycle with out PCT.
There's no reason to even post a response to this. I'm sure you'll be banned soon or rolling with a troll tag.
cbrant10What are you talking about? It's a simple question Moran. Why are you being such a jackass? Too much tren?!?!?
Relax with the insults! So you think time off is "Bullshit"?
Because anybody who says "not have to wait for time on=time off bullshit" is clearly not serious about AAS or their health.
cbrant10False. Time on=time off is a cliche. If your levels are normal you can start right away. Obviously you don't know what your talking about. I am saying that I want to continue this cycle so what's wrong with that?
YOU my friend have zero concept of cycling steroids and in my opinion should NOT be using.... you must realise 1000s of people will read your post and my position has a moderator is to stop bad information reaching the masses to try to ensure we withhold our policy of safe practice (best we can) with that being said if i see anymore bad info being posted by you i will have no option but ban you untill you clean up your act or self-educate yourself to a far better level before posting on these boards in the future..... you are being left alone for now but please take heed of the this courteous warning.... Thankyou.
cbrant10That seems a little harsh. Isn't the whole reason we are here is to learn. Why would you ban me for my opinion? I just think that if your levels are back to normal it couldn't be that bad to start another go. Don't get me wrong i think your body does need rest but anyways just trying to learn here. I am sure you were new once...
The time on = time off rule is for more than one reason. Yes, we need time to restore natty function. Your ancillaries durin pct stimulate the positive feedback in that regard. Even after the induced natty levels are "restored" it takes several more weeks beyond pct for the baseline levels to stabilize.
Example: you run clomid and nolvadex and take blood week 1 after pct. you see test serum 300-600 depending on you. You see normal ranges of estrogen. But you should still see some elevation on the gonadatropins (LH an FSH). This is due to the ancillaries. It takes a bit longer for these two to reach baseline in order to truly gauge recovery or lack thereof. Once baseline has been achieved, you want to give the HPTA time to maintain the natty function before you shut it down again.
Another reason is because the muscle fibers grow at a faster rate under AAS than normal. They become tense in the process, which places stress on the connective tissues. Time is needed to allow those muscles to relieve this tension on the tendons so as to prevent injury.
Does that make sense?
cbrant10Yes it makes perfect sense. I had heard that somewhere before buts its good to get a refresher. I will definitely let my muscles rest and get my natty levels back to normal.
Only print fact.... keep opinions to yourself then you cannot harm others... thats were im coming from here.
Keep learning thats what its all about in this lifestyle bro.
cbrant10Ok man sorry. Please disregard my naïveté. You can take down the post if you want.
eroids is full of knowledge and wisdom at all levels. you'll want to be careful about how you talk to people, if you plan on getting anything out of this site other than a place to find gear.
alloneword may not be a "vet" but he has put in his time to learn and do things right. with that comes a certain level of experience that some people seem to be lacking. one of you comments comes to mind...
this is just an excerpt but that entire comment screams ignorance. there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity, and you my friend are flirting with it with the way you talk to people. as for your comment above:
500mg of enanthate a week for 4 weeks along with the tbol and you weren't making the gains you thought?? how long have you been doing this (AAS)? you realize that the long acting action and slow release provided by enanthate means that it doesn't even kick until weeks 5-7? and tbol is not designed to give you big, immediate gains. the gains made by tbol are slower but longer lasting.
looking forward to seeing how you respond to this, because you obviously don't know how to deal with criticism - constructive or otherwise.
cbrant10Thanks pal but I know all this. I know test is a long ester that's why I wanted to run it for 12 weeks as stated above. I just wanted to know is it possible to carry this cycle on instead of having to do pct an wait and then start another cycle. I am goin to Italy in August and want to run an 8 weeker but the trip would interfere with that.
honestly if you knew all that then you should know some very elementary things like how to plan a cycle length? how to figure out how many mg are in a bottle? and do the math BEFORE you run out? or how about if your not making gains to do something about it, like maybe take in more food? thats what we call a diet around here which im sure YOU KNOW. So can you post yours up? also what was your starting weight and current weight? how long did you train before ASS and is this your first cycle? If you want some help we can help you figure out a way to make your future cycles more effective but if you already know it all then just go to another board and ask questions.
cbrant10Hey RoidNoid. Thanks for the feedback and no I don't know it all that's why I am here asking questions. This is not my first cycle it was my third. I understand dosing, cycle length and the elmentary basics of cycling. I just wasn't getting the same results as before so I thought the test e was underdossed or my body was getting used to the test. I ran a 12 week test e 500wk and test e 500wk and deca 400wk for 12 weeks. This last one was test e and tbol kicker.
well generally diet controls cycle results, im not saying it wasnt under dosed but there is other factors to take in. how long did you wait between cycles? deca will shut you down pretty good and if you didnt fully recover then the test wouldnt be as effective next run. Also ive ran a shit ton of test and it often effects me different from lab to lab. deca will make you retain water and if you gauged last cycle on weight gain then surely you probably made better gains last cycle. if the t-bol was good and diet was dialed in then the test wasnt the only problem as you should have gained around 10-12 pounds in the first month, thats why im saying diet is most likely the culprit. its easy to start cycling and make some gains on almost the same diet, but after one or two cycles gains wont come anymore until diet it changed.
cbrant10I see good sir. Well I have never been the one to sit down and right a diet down but I know what to eat an what not to eat as I was raised in a very health conscience family. I know to gain muscle you need to eat more then you expend and I don't mean McDonald's either. I will admit my diet an training was probably not as intense as before so those two factors probably contributed.
very well so we got some good honesty here and we know of some areas in the future to look at to dial in a better cycle. as for your question? dossier dialed you in pretty good on it, if you got your test in a week then I think you would be OK. But heres the dealio, your receptors are saturated already, you really lost MOST of the window of opportunity to grow, personally if it where me I would PCT, draw a plan for next cycle and be able to start it earlier then if you try to extend this cycle the few extra weeks. let those receptors clear, dial in your diet plan and next cycle hit it with food! I promise you gains will come then!
cbrant10I think that's a great idea man. As much as I would love to extend this cycle a little longer I don't think it is worth it. I think I will just run my pct and plan my next cycle. Thanks for the words of wisdom and not being brass about it. Cheers.
Test is a hormone, not an ester. It can be paired with esters to provide varying degrees of release. My point is that you were gauging your lack of progress at a point when the hormone hasn't even reached peak serum levels, which suggests you're missing a few key points.
You can run the cycle longer, yes. It's all about preparing beforehand tho. Makin sure you have more than you need before you start. Also, the goal is to provide as much stability as possible. In this case, if you're out of test and wanna run longer, you need to ask yourself how long will it take to reup. If its a couple weeks and there are no injections, you need to pct and plan for the next one. I it's not, then keep going.
cbrant10I know we have butted heads earlier but I do appreciate the info. My last pin was this past Thursday. Do you think if I get it before next Thursday that I could just start it as soon as I get it? Or do you think that is too long of a time lapse? Thanks.
No problem bro. IF you can get it in that quickly, I'd say you're good. If not, just chalk it up and plan better for the next. Noid will get you dialed in bro. Listen to what he says