+ 3 Summer Test C & P
5'10
180lbs
12-13% BF
Age: 26
Goal is to bulk as clean as possible. Diet is in check and I'm going to be eating about 4,000 cals a day.
I've been referring to this as my first cycle but that is only because my first real cycle was really bad. I was way too young and did not do proper PCT - natty test levels were never the same after that. Don't be that guy. That was quite a few years ago. Obviously, I am making sure that I don't repeat my mistakes. I'm posting this to see if anyone has any tweaks for me.
I have 5000iu of HCG on hand that I was considering using but I've read lots of mixed feedback about proper use. It came with 1ml of bac water but that seems like too little to really utilize especially if I want to do 250iu 2x week starting at week 4. I could do 500iu 1x week starting at week 4. I have my own bac water, and plenty of it, so I can recon the HCG any way I choose.
I know the HCG isn't completely necessary but I don't see any negs for adding it and it could speed recovery. I know that it will also cause extra aromatization so I could up the dose for the aromasin when I begin HCG. I WILL be getting bloods week 5 to see where I'm at.
edit: adding results
I gained 25lbs while on cycle, I lost about 8 during PCT (probably water) and another 5 after PCT. Overall, I kept about 13lbs. I was very pleased with the outcome.
| Week | Test Cyp | Test Prop | Aromasin | Nolva | Clomid | HCG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 500mg | 100mg eod | ||||
| 2 | 500mg | 100mg eod | ||||
| 3 | 500mg | 6.25mg | ||||
| 4 | 500mg | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 5 | 500mg | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 6 | 500mg | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 7 | 500mg | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 8 | 500mg | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 9 | 500mg | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 10 | 500mg | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 11 | 500mg | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 12 | 500mg | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 13 | 100mg eod | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 14 | 100mg eod | 6.25mg | 500iu | |||
| 15 | 12.5mg | 40mg | 100mg | |||
| 16 | 12.5mg | 40mg | 100mg | |||
| 17 | 6.25mg | 20mg | 50mg | |||
| 18 | 6.25mg | 20mg | 50mg |
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RustyhookerDont spike the test with prop on week 12. will pop up some sides.
PCT Needs correctons
aro 12.5 12.5 6.75 6.75
Clo 100 100 50 50
NOLVA 20 20 10 10.....to high of nolva with the aro will crash your estro! Be safe budd
Good feedback about the prop taper. Going to start that week 13.
In regards to pct you have 6.75? I have 6.25 because that's half of 12.5 - is there a reason for the extra .5? I can see nolva at 20/20/10/10. Bloods in the middle of week 5 will reveal a lot.
Rustyhooker6.25....slip of the fingers on pad.
safetyfirst21I'd imagine this is simply a typo. Nolva and Aromasin as he has shown, only 6.25 instead of 6.75. Running too high of nolva and aromasin won't crash estro, though the advice is still somewhat sound.The idea of the aromasin through PCT is to prevent estro build up and rebound, and to allow a lower nolva dose. Nolva binds to the estrogen receptors in breast tissue, in addition to its effects on LH and FSH. You won't have to run the nolva as high simply because the aromasin is going to help prevent the estro all together so the extra dose of SERM isn't necessary. SERMs can all have sides, whether we experience them or not, there is no need to run something that isn't altogether necessary. Too high of aromasin or arimidex can crash the estro.
nolvadex doesn't lower your estrogen. If you worried about his circulating estrogens crashing pull back on the aro not the nolv.
I'm literally running your exact cycle, it looks like you really did your homework and from the looks of it you should react really well. Question though, why run cyp over enanth? I was sent the wrong stuff so im forced to use the cyp, but I was wondering if you saw any advantage to doing so.
Here's the thing. I was originally going to run Enan. However, I started a dialog via PM with a very experienced member here. He helped me with the layout and recommended Cyp because he said that there was less water retention than Enan. Now I realize this is purely a subjective opinion. BUT he is much wiser than I and I wasn't about to argue with anyone because I don't know shit compared to a lot of people around here. Plus, there's always plenty of time to try Test E on my next cycle and see which I liked better. That's pretty much it.
safetyfirst21I've always read the reverse of that actually, something about the slightly longer ester having to do with it. But, I've also read that's all bullshit, so, we'll see I guess.
Haha exactly. At the end of the day, everyone is going to react a little differently so the key is finding out what works for you. imo. We shall see.
AnonLooks like you've learned a great deal and done a lot of homework. HCG isn't necessary but it couldn't hurt. You may need Aro sooner since you are running test prop e prepared to jump on it quickly if sides arise. Otherwise looks good to me and
Take the advice below my post it is accurate and complete. Good luck bro!
Will do - thanks
safetyfirst21No need to run the Prop during week 12. You don't want to run HCG more than 7 weeks, it can lower LH sensitivity, also be sure to leave 5-7 days between HCG and start of PCT. With Aromasin you can cut your Nolva in half for all 4 weeks.
Thanks bro