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Want to do 1st cycle right, advice appreciated

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I have been looking into doing my first cycle for a while now, and I want to make sure I do it in the right manner. Any advice is appreciated, especially from more experienced members. Don't plan to start for a little while. Training for almost 4 years now and feel I am ready to start.

24 yrs old
5'11
180lb
13-15% BF

Sus 250: 500mg Every wk for 10wks

I bought this intending to use it for 1st cycle but am now having a change of mind. Was thinking of sticking to just one compound, either..

Test E or Test C @ 500mg Every Wk for 12wks... thoughts?

Hypothetically if I go with the Sus 250,.

Sus 250: 500mg Every wk for 10wks

.5mg Arimidex EOD Wk 1-10 and also used in the 3 wks leading to PCT (tapered off in that time .5EOD, .25 EOD etc.)

Would prefer Aromasin but can't get my hands on any. Should I run this right from the beginning or introduce a week or two into cycle? Not running an AI in PCT, a lot of people do but I have read some convincing arguments against it and agree, why suppress estrogen levels, the whole point of PCT is to get everything back to normal, I realize I am going to have a little bit of an Estrogen spike once I discontinue Arimidex, and apparently Adex doesn't mix well with Nolva,. Thoughts on no AI in PCT?

Can't get my hands on HCG

PCT: Clomid 100/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20

Have read that 3 wk PCT is good for Sus 250 but also read a lot that 4wks is standard for any test cycle,.thoughts?
Would this be better?
Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/20/20/20

Calorie intake: 3340-3440 ED 200-220g Protein ED 65-75g Fat ED 500-550g Carbs ED
I am looking to bulk.

Your thoughts are appreciated.

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First cycle should always be test. 12 weeks Test E 250 @ 500mg a week is probably the best first cycle. Get some AI on hand just because you don't know how your body is going to react. I personally didn't use any AI, but everyone is different. Clomid and Nolva for PCT 100/100/50/50 Clomid 40/40/20/20 Nolva. I finished that exact cycle back in August. I gained 30lbs and kept 22lbs. I highly recommend it. But then again it's up to you brother, just stay safe!

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outofacomic's picture

Excellent gains!

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Thanks brother!

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crayon's picture

30lbs! Thats awsome especially how u kept 22lbs nice progress

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That arimidex spike is going to give you a nice pair of tits. Dude you NEED aromasin for PCT if you need a source then add me n ill msg you one. Not allowed to openly tell people sources over open forums to protect the sources

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Beginner Cycles

Cycle: Testosterone Enanthate Roster
- Introduction
- Pre-Cycle Protocol
- The Importance of Blood Work Pre, Intra and Post Cycle
- How To Dose The Compounds
- Aromatase Inhibitor Alternatives
- Here's When I Dose
- Why
- PCT: The Time Frame To Consider
- The Cycle

Introduction
Ok, so this is your first cycle and you don't know what to run...do you go ambitious and add as many orals and oil compounds in as you can possibly fit or do you keep it simple and recognize that this game is a marathon, not a sprint. Well, the answer is obvious, you add one compound at a time to your cycles.......and since this is your first cycle, you should only be dealing with one compound. Why? i hear you ask..........well, lets say for example that you start your first cycle off by running 4 AAS compounds and you begin to experience side effects, how do you know which one caused it? That's why we add one compound at a time - and also to optimize our cycles - if our first cycle was testosterone enanthate only, dosed at 250mg/wk and we noted down that we felt no different, then our next cycle would be recommended as something in the region of 400mg/wk, so we can actually gain the benefits we are expecting.

Pre-Cycle Protocol
Pre-Cycle Protocol

The Importance of Blood Work Pre, Intra and Post Cycle
Blood work (blood tests) tell us through a hormone panel your baseline hormonal levels before you enter your cycle - we use this as a gauge, so that when we finish our cycle, post PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) we can conduct another blood test to see if our hormones have recovered to their baseline levels we noted down pre-cycle. Additionally, you should get into a good practice of getting a set of intra-cycle blood tests conducted - this will tell us the potency of your gear, while acknowledging whether its correctly dosed and legitimate or bunk, while also being able to safely monitor your estrogen levels, which helps us ensure that you are not in any risk of experiencing any side effects.

How To Dose The Compounds
- Testosterone Enanthate: Test E is a long estered compound, this means that it takes approximately four weeks for sufficient hormonal levels to rise for your body to recognize the exogenous compounds. Based on a 12 week test e cycle, we are gaining an active gaining period of 8 weeks (since test e takes 4 weeks to kick in) which is ample. The reason why we aim for an active period of 8 weeks, is because this is the optimal protocol, since a period any longer than 8 weeks will usually see your gains plateau, thus the extra weeks will generally be a waste of money, while also prohibiting your chances of a quick, speedy and successful recovery during and post PCT. Since test e is a long estered compound, we dose this at 2x per week to maintain stable blood levels, which reduce the risk of sides. On the basis of a 12 week test e cycle, dosed at 500mg/wk, i split this dose into 2 injections, the first of which is administered on Monday and is dosed at 250mg and the second is dosed on Thursday, which is also at 250mg. This adhered to our 500mg/wk protocol while also helping us achieve our stable blood levels. After your last shot of testosterone enanthate, wait 15 days until you begin your PCT, since test e takes 15 days to exit your body, this method will ensure you get your value for money out of the compounds that you have paid for.

  • Testosterone Propionate: Prop is a great addition to majority of all cycles. It will be used in this cycle to ensure our blood levels are as stable as possible through an end-taper. Prop will be introduced after our last shot of testosterone enanthate and should be used for 2-3 weeks, where the dosages should taper off and eventually lead up to your PCT. When testosterone propionate is involved, you should wait 3 days after your last pin before you enter your PCT, this gives the compound enough time to exit your body, which means that you can get value for money out of your compounds.

Aromatase Inhibitor Alternatives
You can see that this cycle uses aromasin at a general on cycle protocol of 12.5mg/EOD, which should be increased if you are experiencing side effects, however an alternative is arimidex which should be dosed E3D at 0.25mg.

Here's when I dose;

  • AI's > Aromasin: In the Morning
  • PCT > Clomid: Throughout the day
  • PCT > Nolva: At Night

Why:

Free testosterone has reached a peak in the late morning until around mid-day when the sun has risen, this is why you wake up with 'morning wood'); so to capitalise upon the daily peaks in your free testosterone, I dose my aromasin in the morning. This will prevent any peaks in my estrogen throughout the day (since its half life is ~27 hours) and it will also further increase the amount of free testosterone in my system, since aromasin removes the binded testosterone from your sex hormone binging globulin (SHBG).

I dose my clomid throughout the day, because clomid is highly surpressive, it gets me emotional if i take a high dose all at once. Also i want to keep my blood levels as stable as possible to prevent any further sides.

My nolvadex dose is taken before i go to bed at night, since this is when estrogen is peaked in the human body. Nolvadex is an anti-estrogen, so while im sleeping, the estrogen is under control, which also aids my testosterone peaks the next morning.

The general rule for running an AAS cycle is:

Time ON + PCT = Time off (Unless blood results prove that you have returned to natural/near natural levels)

Now, lets say you choose to indulge in a 12 week cycle, which carries a 4 week PCT, thus the total time frame where your hormone levels will be abnormal in comparison to prior natural levels is 16 weeks. Additionally, supposing that you chose against acquiring blood results, this will result in a 16 week 'time off' period. Thus, the total time frame for a single cycle to commence and be finalised is 32 weeks.

Therefore, following the aforementioned key points, on the basis of a 52 week year, one can indulge in (52/32=) 1.625 cycles a year. In Layman's terms, you can run 1 cycle completely (this includes time on + PCT + time off) + (5/8 =) 0.625 cycles. This means you can run one complete cycle (this includes: Time ON + PCT = Time off) plus another 12 week steroid cycle + 4 weeks PCT + 4 weeks time off (32*0.625) in a single year, with a remaining 12 weeks of time off period to be carried forward into the next year - (2 complete AAS cycles = [32 weeks +32 weeks] 64 weeks, -52 weeks (equal to 1 year) = 12 weeks to be carried forward).

With regard to hormone levels, following the 1.625 cycles a year, you are likely to be fine. Of course, people find that after single cycle with PCT and time off, their levels return close to natural, much in the same way in which another person may find that they will be completely reliant upon TRT/HRT after their first cycle. What i have tried to illustrate here is that everybody is different - and the assumption that the time off period will, in most cases, return an individual to 'normal' hormonal levels.

Cycle
Week 1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
Week 13-15 Test P 100mg/EOD
Week 3-15 Aromasin 12.5mg/EOD (Increase if sides appear)
PCT (Begin PCT 3 days after last prop shot)
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Nolvadex 20/20/10/10
Clomid 100/100/50/50